08-05-2003 03:08									#61
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Ah ha.. speer says I am making an ass out of myself... sheesh.. look at yourself.

You know I had it... you can have your pathetic thread to yourselves.

	08-05-2003 03:10									#63
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CHILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Or at least keep it good natured. It's getting hard to tell.

RAH
and Boshko, take a nap.

	08-05-2003 03:10									#64
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quote: I find the leftist's anti-business attitudes to be disturbing

you probably stereotype me as a "leftist" for instance... why don't you go into the other threads and read about my attitudes on business... actually, don't... I wouldn't want to interrupt your silly stereotype-filled posts.

	08-05-2003 03:11									#65
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Wow, look at those cans. They must be 30 years old. I mean they look like pull tops and not the pop tab everyone uses now days.

Of course a sexually frustratied person may have just pulled the tab off but still...

	08-05-2003 03:11									#66
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heheh RAH... it's all in good fun

anyways, I agree

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	08-05-2003 03:12									#67
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My brother rips the tabs off his beer cans.
His 'stache gets pulled by it if he doesn't.

	08-05-2003 03:13									#68
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Sava:

so you completely ignored my point that unions can prevent business abuse without government intervention?

	08-05-2003 03:14									#69
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Speer: I ignore just about everything you say

	08-05-2003 03:17									#70
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This thread has been Floyded, Fezzed, Speered, and Zylka'ed. Time to close it.

EDIT: Zylka's post must have been deleted.

	08-05-2003 03:19									#71
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Hmmm, what happend to the ZYLKA post. Maybe another mod is also watching. If I do see another one like that, chilling will be a reality instead of a nice warning.

RAH

	08-05-2003 03:19									#72
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	08-05-2003 03:20									#73
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well damn are you a jackass... i take the time to respond and you just ignore my point?

i guess you just will sit back and be content that you showed David Floyd as a heartless bastard... completely ignoring my point

	08-05-2003 03:22									#74
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quote: Originally posted by rah Hmmm, what happend to the ZYLKA post. Maybe another mod is also watching. If I do see another one like that, chilling will be a reality instead of a nice warning. RAH

I deleted it... and I am currently "discussing it with him" via ICQ as I type this

	08-05-2003 03:23									#75
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But I didn't get to see it before you cut it.

Zylka's posts are usually worth a snicker or two.

	08-05-2003 03:23									#76
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I am a fat bastard.

	08-05-2003 03:24									#77
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It was about having collective sex through the unexpected end

	08-05-2003 03:24									#78
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But are you a banned bastard?

EDIT: I just read Spiffor's post.

	08-05-2003 03:27									#79
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Damn, I don't think I've ever seen anyone as wested as he is now. I wonder how much of that gin he had.... Ah well, what I have had has worn out by now...

	08-05-2003 03:27									#80
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The next off topic or mean spirited post is going to get somebody in BIG TROUBLE....

	08-05-2003 03:31									#81
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anyway...

could we get a less biased source up on here outlining this new law?

	08-05-2003 10:04									#82
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quote: Originally posted by rah All it did was hurt people. They didn't want that type of protection.

There are always exceptions, yet most labour laws exist to correct some imbalances between companies and workers.

quote: Originally posted by rah So while I may dissagree with some of the things being proposed (once it's verified of course ) There are a few changes that could be beneficial to the blue collar worker.

I doubt it. The conditions that caused these laws to come into being still exist. AFAIK, these conditions have worsened in recent years, as compared to, say, the 1990's.

	08-05-2003 12:08									#83
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wow, can't believe I was that drunk that early in the day. hope I provided entertainment to all involved.

there, of course, are already plenty of ways that companies subvert workplace regulations as is, such as harsh limits on bathroom breaks for Walmart employees but the chipping away of it is probably only going to continue...

	08-05-2003 12:15									#84
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quote: Chegitz, still angry about the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991? You provide no source. You PROVIDE NOTHING! And yet you want to destroy capitalism.. you criminal...

LMAO!

	08-05-2003 15:49									#85
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quote: I'm sorry, you've called che a criminal and a pig in the space of two posts.

Well, he's called Bush worse. Giving him some of his medicine.

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Oh, and if true, I agree with the Bush proposals. Plato and rah show why the arcaic rules regarded overtime need to be junked, especially for federal employees.

	08-05-2003 17:50									#86
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd Sure, why not? As to employing kids, that sounds like a parenting problem, not a government problem, and certainly not my problem. As to lower wages, people should get paid what they are worth in terms of labor. What they are worth is simply what the corporation is willing to pay them and what they will accept. There's no coercion.

Floyyd is right. The sooner Che learns that the better. Then he'll be better able to take care of himself.

	08-05-2003 17:50									#87
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quote: Originally posted by rah After hours they wanted to hang around and do special projects, (like rebuiding rusted out old classics) It was afterhours so they drank a few beers and really took their time. They didn't feel that they should get time and a half for putzing around. So we made them "quasi managers" and paid their extra time as a bonus calculated on a % of what those special projects for eventually sold for.

How was that a problem? Would it have been ok if you had paid them on a contract per car?

	08-05-2003 18:01									#88
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We could have paid them a bonus/contract per car but we still would have had to pay them 1.5 for the overtime hours they worked on site. The department of Labor was quite specific. Any hours over the standard workweek on site. Overtime. We were under close scrutiny due to a claim made by a disgruntaled ex-employee for a totally different reason. Otherwise no one would have even know what we were doing.

The claimed that any such arrangments were just ploys to get around the overtime regulations. And since that's what we were trying to do, even though for good reasons, it was impossible to challenge it.

RAH

	08-05-2003 18:25									#89
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"Any hours over the standard workweek on site. Overtime."

But those hours were not ordered by the employer. Looks a bit overreaching. If people have a party at the office, do they get paid overtime, too?

	08-05-2003 18:33									#90
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Partying and working projects are two totally different things. But if done together, it's still considered work.

We even tried making them supervisors for the apprentices, but since they still actually did production work 90% of the time, that was dissallowed also. It's hard to say they supervisors when they have a grinding wheel in their hand.

RAH
This was over 20 years ago.