09-05-2003 20:54									#1
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I was looking for something unrelated, and this bit of information is a bit old, but it is very interesting:

Second law of thermodynamics "broken"

quote: One of the most fundamental rules of physics, the second law of thermodynamics, has for the first time been shown not to hold for microscopic systems. The demonstration, by chemical physicists in Australia, could place a fundamental limit on miniaturisation, because it suggests that the micro-scale devices envisaged by nanotechnologists will not behave like simple scaled-down versions of their larger counterparts - they could sometimes run backwards.

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	09-05-2003 20:57									#2
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I'm dumb, please explain what this has to do with creationists?

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quote: Originally posted by Sava I'm dumb, please explain what this has to do with creationists?

They quote the second law to disprove evolution - as evolution breaks the second law (according to them at least) it cannot be a natural or occuring phenomenon.

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ah I see.... HAW HAW!!

	09-05-2003 21:14									#6
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Considering the more erudite Creationists had already rejected the Second Law rationale (I've seen some Creationist web sites actively pleading with other Creationists not to use the Second Law fallacy, as it makes them look bad), this won't effect serious (*snicker*) debates much. At least it may shut up the more ignorant ones, though.

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nothing shuts up ignorance, Boris...

	09-05-2003 21:24									#8
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demonstration. Yeah right. You expect us to trust that.

	09-05-2003 21:29									#9
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I thought the title of this thread was "Creationists take head"

How disappointing.



"it suggests that the micro-scale devices envisaged by nanotechnologists will not behave like simple scaled-down versions of their larger counterparts - they could sometimes run backwards."


then why not program robots that run backwards, shrink them down and they will be fine?

	09-05-2003 21:34									#10
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Creationism is false. That is all that is needed to disprove the pile of BS it is.

	09-05-2003 21:36									#11
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Fez, that is so true...

	09-05-2003 21:41									#12
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quote: Originally posted by asleepathewheel I thought the title of this thread was "Creationists take head"

Me too.

	09-05-2003 22:22									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Fez Creationism is false.

Right, well that's that then. May as well all go home.

Try reasoned argument, Fez, 'cause no-one is going to be convinced by pathetic statements like that from some spotty homosexual Brazilian kid....

	09-05-2003 22:25									#14
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And what does being homosexual matter in this? Surely you wouldn't imply that being gay would make someone less trustworthy, would you?

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I hope that we are able to build an entropy engine one day. That woud be cool.

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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov And what does being homosexual matter in this? Surely you wouldn't imply that being gay would make someone less trustworthy, would you?

Less trustworthy to a creationist? Definitely!

	09-05-2003 23:03									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Rogan Josh Less trustworthy to a creationist? Definitely!

Well, just another reason Creationists are stupid gits, then!

	09-05-2003 23:09									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Well, just another reason Creationists are stupid gits, then!

But you should be persuading them to your point of view -- not just insulting them.

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He can't persuade them to his point of view, if they won't listen to homosexuals.

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quote: But you should be persuading them to your point of view -- not just insulting them

Persuasion is only effective on people who have an open mind and willing to forget pre-conceived notions. Once you accept you can't persuade creationists all that is left is to have fun insulting and ridiculing them.

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quote: Originally posted by Big Crunch quote: But you should be persuading them to your point of view -- not just insulting them Persuasion is only effective on people who have an open mind and willing to forget pre-conceived notions. Once you accept you can't persuade creationists all that is left is to have fun insulting and ridiculing them.

Bullshit. Anyone can be persuaded.

	09-05-2003 23:23									#22
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Sure, some people might just require the use of a persuasion stick (shotgun).

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loinburger, the persuasion stick is not something to be joked about...

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quote: Creationism is false. That is all that is needed to disprove the pile of BS it is.

You provide no source...you PROVIDE NOTHING! And yet you want to destroy Jesus...you criminal...

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quote: Originally posted by loinburger He can't persuade them to his point of view, if they won't listen to homosexuals.

Bingo. How can I persuade someone who won't trust what I say based on my sexual orientation?

More importantly, why would I want to bother?

orange: !!

	09-05-2003 23:41									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Rogan Josh Bullshit. Anyone can be persuaded.

Sorry but you won't persuade me to believe otherwise.

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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Bingo. How can I persuade someone who won't trust what I say based on my sexual orientation?

I was joking when I said that Creationists wouldn't believe you because you were gay.

	10-05-2003 00:11									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Rogan Josh I was joking when I said that Creationists wouldn't believe you because you were gay.

Sadly, that is often not the case. Religious fundamentalism often goes hand-in-hand with moral bigotry.

Besides, it's not much different than them dismissing anything an evolutionist says because the person is an evolutionist, which they do all the time.

	10-05-2003 00:12									#30
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To quote MC Hawking...

quote: Creationist always try to use the second law to disprove evolution but their theory has a flaw. The second law is quite precise about where it applies. Only in closed systems must the entropy count rise. The Earth is not a closed system, it's powered by the sun. So **** the damn creationists, Doomsday get my gun!"