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you were salutatorian, if i remember correctly? that too was an honor that means nothing outside of that ceremony.

i don't understand this girl. suing to be sole valedictorian, and then avoiding the one thing where being valedictorian matters... wtf?

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I'm still leary of the validity of her so-called "immune disorder that leaves her exhausted". There are a number of truly devastating immune deficiency diseaes that involve genetic defects in one or more parts of the immune system. Some of them involve defects of one or more types of white cells, some involve defects of antibody production. The manifestations of these syndromes vary from complete lack of defenses against most viruses and bacteria (the boy in the bubble), to a propensity towards recurrent infections by certain classes of infectious agents, to no symptoms whatsoever.

Asthma can certainly affect a person's ability to exercise, and there are some forms of asthma triggered by exercise. It is possible to have prolonged flair-ups that would require the sufferer to be excused from school and hence tutored at home too, but asthma is generally not classified as an "immune deficiency" or an "immune disorder", but instead is placed under the heading of "allergies", even though one could make a case for placing some forms of asthma with the former categories. The thing is, if she suffered from asthma, why doesn't the article just say so?

There are a couple of relatively new proposed illnesses that are claimed to be immune system disorders and which have fatigue as a primary symptom. One of these is "Systemic Candidal Infection", the other is "Environmental Allergy Syndrome". The first supposedly stems from a colonization of the body by Candida, a fungus, which supposedly triggers a systemic inflammatory response causing the person to feel ill. Proponents point to finding small quantities of candida in the sufferer's airways. Detractors point out that thic fungus can also colonize the airways of the non-symptomatic, and that there are no consistent pathological or serological signs of an inflammatory response in the sufferers. With regards to "Environmental Allergy Syndrome", its proponents have made up entire batteries of tests to back up their claims, but most of these tests resmeble the sort of technology common in the "patent medicine" age at the end of the 19th century.

Neither of these two syndromes are recognised by medical societies, but unfortunately the legal system doesn't have to follow medical opinion consensus, so it is possible that she might have been granted disability status based on one of these bogus diagnoses. I find it suspicious that none of the artilcles names her illnness. It makes me wonder. Maybe Mom and Dad, wanting to make their daughter's dream of being class valedictorian come true found a doctor to diagnose her with one of these bogus illnesses so that she could qualify for tutored learning.

It's possiblr though that the family simply wants their privacy. Some of the legitimate immune disorders have hairy names. For instance, to the uninformed "Combined Immune Deficiency Syndrome" might sound an awful lot like AIDS.

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And what's funny is that in the real world, being valedvictorian doesn't mean sh1t.


Well said. Good reality check. Haven't seen it on college or job applications. It would be interesting to see what becomes of her after about ten years.

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i dunno, but i hope she learns what the real world is like at harvard.

her immune system issue should do her a lot of good in the dorms.

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Valedictorian who sued is dropped from Harvard class

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CAMBRIDGE, Mass. (AP) A New Jersey student who sued successfully to be the sole valedictorian of her high school has been disinvited from attending Harvard University for plagiarism, according to a published report.

Citing an unnamed source involved with the decision, The Harvard Crimson reported for Friday's edition that the Ivy League school decided not to welcome Blair Hornstine into its class of 2007.

Harvard spokesman Robert Mitchell said the university would not comment on any application to the school.

Director of Undergraduate Admissions Marlyn McGrath Lewis told the Crimson that it would be unusual for Harvard not to rescind the admission of a student caught plagiarizing. Lewis would not comment on Hornstine's case, however.

Calls to Hornstine's father, a New Jersey Superior Court judge in Camden, her lawyer and a second lawyer who has served as her spokesman were not immediately returned Friday morning.

Nearly 2,700 people signed an online petition calling for Harvard to rescind Hornstine's acceptance. The petition drive began before news broke about possible plagiarism by Hornstine in a southern New Jersey newspaper.

In a column published last month by the Courier-Post of Cherry Hill, Hornstine conceded she did not properly attribute material she used in a teen page commentary column.

Hornstine, a student with near-perfect grades and a near-perfect SAT score, had gotten attention from President Bush, among others, for her good works in the community.

She attracted national media attention in May, when she sued the public school system in Moorestown, the wealthy Philadelphia suburb where she lives.

Hornstine suffers from an immune deficiency, and during her last two years of high school received much of her instruction from tutors at her home and was exempted from classes such as physical education.

Though she had the highest grades in her class, the school administration wanted her to share the valedictorian title with another student.

She sued in federal court to be the only valedictorian and she won based on a discrimination complaint.

She also sued in state court, seeking $2.7 million in punitive and compensatory damages. That case has not been resolved.

Hornstine returned to the news when the Courier-Post published her explanation of her failure to properly attribute material for columns and essays in newspaper-sponsored contests.

The writings appeared to borrow themes, structures and, in several cases, lengthy verbatim passages from sources ranging from a U.S. Supreme Court ruling and presidential proclamation to foreign affairs analysis.

School officials in Moorestown have said they were reviewing Hornstine's school work to see if any of it was plagiarized.

She skipped her school's graduation ceremony last month.


Hurrah for even more karma!

She brought this on herself. If she hadn't sued, she wouldn't have gotten the publicity that would cause someone to look into whether she'd plagiarized or not, and she'd still be in Harvard.

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Outstanding!

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Justice has been served.

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If I were the other kid with her in Harvard, I'd ridicule her mercilessly, much like I did when I ran into the valedictorian of my class (who was still an *******)...




I hope everybody in her entering class finds out exactly what sort of a whiner she is...

Along the lines of what Doc's been saying, I don't know whether this girl has legitimate problems or not, but I can't stand it when students get a bogus medical excuse and use it to boost their GPAs. Wasn't a problem in high school, but in Uni there was this one guy who was taking one course a semester for some shitty medical "necessity (the guy was fine). Every prof hated him because he *****ed to the administration about every grade he received. Snooze. I don't know what happened to him, but I hope he hit a brick wall somewhere.

This other girl was in my girlfriend's medical physics master's program, as well as being in some of her undergrad classes. She claimed that she got headaches in every single exam she ever took (due to stress), and was always given 6 hours to complete exams rather than the usual 3 (which in physics or math exams in an enormous advantage). This one prof she got in the first semester of her master's program wasn't taking that ****, though. She was given the standard time to do it, and after two hours apparently crumpled up her exam and walked out of the room, never to be heard from again.

If you can't hack it, then leave. Whining to get grades or honours you don't deserve degrades everybody else's accomplishments.

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Hadn't read the whole thread.

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6 hours to do a test?!


could use it in that Diff. Eq. final...

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Ordinary or partial?

We were once given 6 hours to do a PDE test. That wasn't a prof doing us a favour; it was a prof being an ******* and giving us a 6 hour test. I stopped doing any useful work after 4 hours (since I had run out of both knowledge and motivation for creative thought by that point).

A C taken with pride, sure in the knowledge that I would never have to deal with that jackass of a prof again.

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A course of ODE together with first order PDE, and second order PDE of waves, heat, and la-place (sp?).

I am biting my nails in hope that I pass. I'd hate to retake the test in october.

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Why so much together? How many class hours is it?

(Standard courses here are 15 weeks of 3 hours)

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The moral of this story? If you have a wicked dirty background, don't attract attention to yourself. She went for double or nothing, and got nothing.

Watch for her autobiography, coming this Spring.

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They cut down some on ODE, I think. My limits of ODE solution are non-homogenous equation of the N-th degree with constant multipliers, or the Euler (sp?) form.

It's a special cource of DE for Mechanical Engineering, but they decided to cram Bio-technology and Chemistry students there as well, 'cause it suited their obligatory cource list structure. Luckily, they've decided to cancel that course beginning this autumn, and force everyone to take the two DE course of ODE and but I hope that I won't have to "enjoy" these new measures next semester, i.e. take Diff. Eq. again, and now double the trouble.

3 out of 5 questions on the tests were 2nd order PDE. one was 1st order PDE, and only a single question in ODE. And even that question I failed to solve.

The class is also 3 hours a week, plus 2 hours tuition, and is worth 4 points. ( In comparison, Calc 2 is worth 5, and Physics 1 is worth 2.5 )

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Hmm, so we accept that she did have the highest grades and thus should have been Valedictorian by herself, but that her mistake (beyond plagerism) was to complain and sue when the school system attempted to make her co-valedictorian?

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Hmm, so we accept that she did have the highest grades and thus should have been Valedictorian by herself, but that her mistake (beyond plagerism) was to complain and sue when the school system attempted to make her co-valedictorian?


No.

She was a whiny ***** who got higher grades than was mathematically possible for any other student due to the fact that she didn't have to take PE, and got to stay at home with a tutor (which is an enormous advantage).

Also, her claimed medical impairments appear to be a fraudulent method of having gained this advantage.

So her first mistake was to lie about her condition for profit. Her second was to steal other's ideas. Her third was to draw attention to herself.

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Rather, we admit that because she had an easier class schedule, thanks to a pseudo-"condition" she had marginally higher grades than someone who had to tackle the "regular" course load, and when a move was made to reward both "strata" of course loads, she b*tched about it, and later, it came back to bite her in the a$$.

Sweet.

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This reminds me of something that happened with David Cash, a student accepted to UC Berkeley in 1997.

During the summer before he attends college, he was with a friend in Vegas. His friend sexually assaulted and killed a little kid in a bathroom stall while he waited outside the stall, fully knowing what his friend was doing. Although he himself had done nothing illegal, naturally people were outraged when they heard of his gross indifference in the situation, for he had no reason to expect violence from his friend at the time.

So, when word got out this guy was coming to Berkeley, there were mass protests in front of the administration building to reject this guy's admission. The school, however, had no legal grounds to do that. When Cash (a nuclear engineering major :0 !!!) arrived on campus that fall, he was picketed by hundreds of angry students demanding him to leave and had to be protected by the cops. Over time pressure on him to get out dropped off, and he himself didn't do anything bad either, and for all practical purposes has disappeared from the map.

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I agree with GePap... she deserved to be sole validictorian. You don't change the rules in the middle of a school year. It's just wrong . It doesn't matter that she could have gotten a higher GPA, that's the way the rules work, and then they changed them in the middle of the game, because she was going to win.

It stinks ALL around, not just on the girl.

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Rather, we admit that because she had an easier class schedule, thanks to a pseudo-"condition" she had marginally higher grades than someone who had to tackle the "regular" course load, and when a move was made to reward both "strata" of course loads, she b*tched about it, and later, it came back to bite her in the a$$.

Sweet.

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Hmm, I guess the fact that a court of law found her side to be the valid one and awarded her a victory does not matter, no? What the heck do you people base your claims that her disease is "funny" besides your own prejudices?

That the suit brought out all toher info, yes, did come and bite her in the ass: that does not change the validity of her case, given that the School system tried to change the rules mid-term.

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when was the title switched from "*****" to "girl"?

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i agree that changing the rules mid-year was a bad idea. the girl should have ended up valedictorian.

on the other hand, the girl's "medical condition" seems bogus, and she abused the system, so she deserved what she got.

the reason why i have no pity for her and am glad she's reaping the disfavor she's sowed is because she decided to sue a school! for 2 million +!

just because she can't be valedictorian, a useless award, she's going to shaft and fvck every other student's education potential? i'm glad she's getting this brought down upon her head.

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I hate it when students use every little problem they have to get "exceptions" in classes they suck at. I have ADHD, I don't F*CKING want help! I think most of this special ed crap is to prop the grades of dumb people up to make thier schooll look better. There will be a lot more of this because of Bush's "No Child left Behind" Act, they will prop up grades to make sure they don't get thier funding stolen.

I have no pity to someone who sues a school for that much money and takes advantage of an exagerated medical condition to skip PE, serves that b@stard right, NO HARVARD FOR YOU!!!

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I agree with Odin completely. This (list of expletives) and her (list of expletives) family should be taken out and shot.

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Gepap: Nope....doesn't matter to me one bit. Do you think the courts would DARE rule against a "poor little girl with her crippling disability--erm...no, physically challenged....we must use PC terminology whenever possible-- Good god, you think a stink was raised over the status of her valedictorianship? It would have been tied up in the courts for YEARS had the verdict gone the other way! The quickest, most expedient solution was to give the little whiney $%&$%# her way and save the taxpayers a lot of money.

And, having read everything I could put my hands on about the case and her "condition" yes...it's bullshite. She deserves about as much "special consideration" as I do (which is to say....NONE).

As to changing the rules in mid-stream....given that there were two "categories" of course-loads (regular and diet), I disagree that they were trying to take anything away from her....rather, they were attempting to acknowledge the fact that there was indeed a double standard in their system. She won, using her courseload, and the other kid won, using a different one.

No biggie....until she made it so.

Personally, I'm glad it came back to haunt her.

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That would be much akin to the featherweight boxing champion suing the boxing federation cos he's not the "only" champion....DAMN that heavyweight guy! How DARE he try and call himself champion!

Different courseload = different category and classification. Heavyweight....Lightweight. Both can have belts. Not something to lose a lot of sleep over.

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Bullshit. It seems the people on your side (and I'm not making you an exception) are full of bile and thinks she should get screwed in everyway.

It is much more akin to there being only ONE Boxing championship, but as the tournament progresses, the one guy that people don't like is winning, so they decide to instead have more than one championship in the middle of the tourney.

Instead of Boxing Champion of the World, now we'll have Heavyweight and Lightweight.

The vitrol is too much. I bet that if someone changed the rules on you in the middle of something you'd be crying foul from Hell to highwater, but this girl is wrong to? Suuure .

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Yes, they've done it before.

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The quickest, most expedient solution was to give the little whiney $%&$%# her way and save the taxpayers a lot of money.


This would only be something that sways the decision to a moron who has no clue how the legal system works.

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THEY CHANGED THE RULES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SCHOOL YEAR! I don't give a damn if there was a double standard. You can't do that!

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I think people are offended by the dies that she would get the validectorian spot (even though I have ye to see anyone anywhere post info that her condition was fake in some way: given that most people here do not know her and are not her doctor, I have not seen conclusive evidence they can point to to make that claim), so when the gril had the "gaul" to sue when she thought she was wronged (hey, look at that, a free court system boo!), we must destroy her!

Now, yes, the amount of damages she asked for was absurd, and yes, if she plagerized anything, she must suffer the consequences for that, but I have to agree Imran that the vitrol is so absurd, it can only be caused cause this case must in some way hit too many people here close to home, or gets to clsoe to some pet peeve, so they can;t do anything like, i don;t know, argue straight.

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i'm not offended that she got the top spot.

i'm offended that she thought it was worth suing over. it's not. really. it's useful for one thing, and that's for getting a speech at your graduation. nothing else in one's life depends on being valedictorian.

yes, the school system was wrong. they really should have changed the rules before the year started, or after the year ended. not in the middle of the year--that was unfair.

so she sued and won. it was a pyrrhic victory, though, and i don't pity her. she was named valedictorian, she got that. but she wasn't able to go to the only place where being valedictorian mattered; she's become a pariah in her hometown; she's lost her harvard seat; she's become despised by a huge number of people. but she's valedictorian, and 2.7 million richer. i wonder if she thinks it was worth it.

what it boils down to is that i have zero respect for her because of her lawsuit. if she had merely asked to be left as the sole valedictorian, i would have thought it stupid, but not morally bankrupt and offensive. she passed the limit when she asked for 2.7 million dollars from a school district for "mental suffering". school systems are not rich, not even in hoity-toity majority-rich white suburbs. school systems cannot afford to pay out 2.7 million dollars in a lawsuit and then manage to provide a decent education for its students.

the vitriol is there, and i don't care too much for it. i know why i dislike her, and why i find this karmic.

 
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