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rick334 is offline rick334
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May 2003
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This is my opinion and I already know many will disagree with me. I hope I am just missing somthing, does someone know of a listing of what the demo does not include.

1) Is there no speech

2) Units are jerky when moving - not due to FPS, I have 80 throughout the entire demo game, but more like not enough frames were put in the animations and they jerk when they move

3) Where is the speech and music ?

4) Graphics (This one is killing me) they are not very clear and crisp. The edges on the units are blocky and smeared, not crisp and straigh.

**I have all graphics turned up and a good system with Radeon 9700 turned all the way as well @ 32 bit**

In my opinion I was really disappointed with the game. Cancelled my preorder. I hope I find that I was missing somthing the whole time from the Demo that was just not included. The graphics are really what is killing me, they just seem so fake, the units don't look like they belong in the environment. What are you opinions ? Do you know if the Demo is missing some of the features I mentioned above (Especially not clarity of graphics option ?).

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Me..I rather like the demo..mind you..a DEMO VERSION but..I like it..i played 45 minutes..but no save on the demo...or at least not mine..

I think this game has great potential..I am not being Pompous or arrogant..I just play them..not build 'em..and my thanks to the hardworkers at BHG!

I will reserve my "personal stamp" until the full version reaches Trolldom

But, I do like what I am seeing as of now, I am running WinXP, 1.5 gig Athlon Processor 512 RAM 64 bit Radeon Graphics Card....Runs like a champ.

Graphics could be a little better..maybe more like AOEII:The Conquerors.....but..I can hange in exchange for an empire builder..which is what I enjoy immersing myself in......

So...My vote is a "Passing Grade" and looking forward to fullretail version...20th..I presume?


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It would be greater if the units were 2D animated, but I guess it takes too much ram? I'm not sure why game designers out there choose this style. I'm glad they kept the 2D buildings and plantlife though, that was a good move.

I do agree that 2D units are much crisper and easier to see than the blocky type that all the new RTS games come out with now days. I remember when AOE first came out, I remember seeing a horse unit that 'glided' on the terrain, beautiful transitions and animation work, I don't understand what was wrong with that? Why have games decided to stop doing that and do this blocky stuff? Can't they see that it is ugly and no one really likes it? (At least I don't think ppl would like it)

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In the full game does the quick battle have saving?

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Well, after several Hours, I am upping my position and so far, am pleased with how the game unfolds..I like the ai attacks and we will see with full version come Tuesday..but..seems like a pretty kewl game

Will..post..tommorrow after i play more....

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i'm of the opinion also that RTS looses nothing in 2D....ive played braveheart where u can rotate the camera and all that...but really after awhile its just easier to keep it at one angle

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I am happy with the demo, in fact I have not stopped playing it (was up all night the first night :P) . The only things that bother me are the wonder victory, I wish I could shut that feature off, and for the ally's , you try to ally up with another nation and they rip you off that really got me going . I know that the full vers will allow the wonder feature off, and hopefully the AI will be alittle bit better when it comes to alliances. As for the graphics, they are fine, and I patiently waiting for the 20th.

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Incredible depth compared to most RTS. Thrilling.

But it loses of its depth by having techs that are passing one after another too fast and units that don't cost enough I think (espescially if techs would cost more, it'd ask little balancing).

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i do agree that it would be good to make the techs costs more to make each age last longer....

but i'll have to play on the slow and expensive setting to see how much that effects it, and maybe thats enough

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to ask once again, can you save in a quick battle in the full version?

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i dont know...i havent tried it...but i know u can view recorded games

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I really prefer 3D units over 2D. I do not like that in 2D all units are looking only in fixed directions, that animations are very limited, that several units at once doing exactly the same animation, that if you increase your screen resolutions units become smaller instead of becoming sharper and so on. 3D gives much more realistic movements ,more animations with randomness and some nice effects that are not accessible in 2D.

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As for the first post - try to increase resolution, it helps.

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In the full game does the quick battle have saving?


yes.

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The game music, and probably other sound features were left out of the demo to save space.

I spent about three hours with the demo last night and I am even more enthusiastic about the game itself after playing the demo than before. I can hardly wait for the delightsome boxen from Amazon to arrive!

However ... the graphics in the RON demo are ... um ... not as impressive as they might be? Running 2.2 GHZ P-4 / 512 Meg Ram and an Nvidia GeForce Go 440 / 32 Meg Ram I tried resolutions of 1024 x 768 and 2040 x whatever, both 32 bit. Monitor has a true diagonal of 16.1 inches. I tried various zooms. Well, the graphics are impressive, just not as impressive as I expected somehow.

I agree with the post that asked why not use 2D technology and have sharp graphics? With my setup it was easy to confuse workers and military units. At least the scout has a dog at its side to distinguish it from an ordinary worker. Even buildings seemed sort of blurry.

After playing RON demo for about three hours, I played AOE II/C for a few minutes by way of comparison. The 2D graphics in AOE II/C are far sharper, more detailed, more sophisticated, more pleasing to the eye. Fired up AOM for comparison to another contemporary 3D game and, well, RON demo loses that battle instantly and on the spot. Cranked up the sensational C&C Generals and RON loses that confrontation even more quickly. Civ III/PTW is hard to compare directly, perhaps someone else could comment.

The graphics in RON are not bad, not even poor, I do not mean that. Maybe in the context of the game as a whole they make sense. After all, the scope of the game is very large. But all I have at the moment is the first impression made by the demo's graphics and I was not thrilled. Fortunately a game is far more than its graphics and my initial impression of RON is that this is a game that I am going to spend a lot of time playing. Wish the graphics were sharper, though.

I wonder if with a really high-end graphics card and a really big screen, like with a projector, would the graphics look any better?

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MxM, you are quite wrong. All animations can be achieved in 2D Rendering, all you do is make the unit in 3D, then render each frame in 2D, thats what they did in AoE and AoK.


I actually think that IS what BHG did with RoN, except they've cut down on the polygons for some reason.. But then again, I honestly have no idea what has happened. And hey, they have all the files, they could just re-do them all, right?

I think the buildings are perfect btw.

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exactly...and if u really think about it.....its ALL 2D really I mean even in 3D u're rendering on a 2D screen. Anything that can be done in 3D can be done in 2D its just a matter of animation. If u dont have camera rotation, other then say the ease of modelling in 3D vs 2D art maybe your own advantage if that is an advantage at all.

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Who cares how the graphics look... go buy some fireworks...

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"Who cares how the graphics look... go buy some fireworks..."

Hmmm! Good idea! Like every time you advance to a new age you get fireworks over your town centers?

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I don't mind so much about graphics, I don't have the hardware to fully enjoy graphics maxed out, anyway... I'm more interested in gameplay, how the game plays and how much fun it is to play it.

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"Who cares how the graphics look... go buy some fireworks..."

Hmmm! Good idea! Like every time you advance to a new age you get fireworks over your town centers?


that would be cool

maybe thats a mod possibility

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Downloaded the demo version yesterday.
I was hoping RoN would have the same 3D-engine as AoM, but then I discovered Ensemble Studio's aren't the developers of the game I discovered that further when I entered the game..

I am kind of disappointed with the graphics. It isn't as sharp and crisp like AoE-2-C & AoM. But what bothers me the most is that the units don't move smoothly! All you have to do is compare it with AoE,AoM or EE and you know what I mean.

However, the disappointing graphics are somewhat compensated by the game play. I am already addicted to the game and I am going to buy it whenever it comes available here.

One thing I noticed, and other people noticed that as well, is that the ages go very fast. Resources are very easy to collect and before you know it you are in the information age.

Perhaps with some patches BHG can fix the general game balance and make it somewhat harder to advance in ages.

The graphics can't be improved with patches I think, because of the engine. We can just hope they will not make that same mistake in RoN II. (if it ever comes out)

My post sounds very negative, but overall I am very excited about this game and I can't wait to play the full version!

Btw.. has anyone noticed that GameSpy Arcade gets installed with the demo while you can't play multiplayer? I find that odd.

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hmmm why is so many people mentioning the animation smoothless beinbg a problem? Its completely smooth for me....

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After a quick run through, I wanted to pop in here to see if any of my observations matched up with other peoples experiences. The game seems top, although I am worried that the very early game is going to get somewhat repetetitve. Also in the mid to late game, I seem to be rushing around clicking things to research and upgrade. Heaven forbid a big war kick off. And then my laptop ran out of power.
Back to it now then........

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hmmm why is so many people mentioning the animation smoothless beinbg a problem? Its completely smooth for me....


As smooth as AoE II Conquerors or Empire Earth?

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I am a hard-core turn-based simulation (TBS) Civ game player (Civ1, Civ2, Civ3/PTW, SMAC/X) but in the last couple of years have started to play RTS as well, primarily since my two young boys find RTS more exciting. So I have played Age of Kings/TC, and I am currently playing Age of Mythology. When the RON demo was posted a couple of days ago, I downloaded it and tried it, and here is my assessment:

Overall assessment: a fascinating, captivating, interesting RTS game that I definitely plan on buying when it comes out next week. Gameplay is definitely different from AOE/AOK/AOM and makes for extremely interesting gameplay.

I found that my knowledge of Civ games greatly helped me understand how to play RON, whereas I would guess that a person who has never played civ TBS games would have to make a big adjustment from what they knew playing AOK/AOM/etc. Having said that, although RON is supposedly a RTS Civ game, it definitely does not have the "feel" of a Civ turn-based game, and in my opinion no RTS ever will. Although strategy plays a big part in RTS, and a much bigger part in TBS games, ultimately quick reflexes, and memorization of hot-keys/hot key sequences will be the differentiator in RTS games - not strategy, all things considered. So in conclusion, although RON does not "feel" like a TBS Civ game, it has a much different feel from the AOE/AOK/AOM series of games, and I say this in a very positive sense since the gameplay is excellent.

On the graphics of RON - I must say after playing Age of Mythology for the last 3 weeks or so, when I fired up RON I was disappointed. As I played the demo more and more, the excellent gameplay makes up for the graphics, but the graphics are still a disapointment if you compare them to Age of Mythology. If you zoom in in RON, the quality of graphics dramatically improves with an amazing amount of detail/animation on the various game objects, but of course it is not practical to play zoomed in for any length of time. By the way I am running a 3GHz P4 system with a 21" monitor, Radeon 9700 Pro card, with the RON resolution set to the highest (1600x1024, 32 bit color I think).

With respect to the 2D vs 3D debate for RTS - I too at one time thought being able to rotate graphics on a RTS game to be useless, but I have grown to absolutley love the capability in AOM, and rotate all of the time in order to better see around objects and/or select a viewing angle that just "feels" better. By the way, rotation in AOM can be done with the mousewheel so it is very easy to rotate even in the heat of a battle.

So BHG, bring on the game I can't wait to buy it!

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With regard to the "jerky animation": I've checked it out, and it might be that the people complaining about it are running at slow or slower speeds. If you go to the slowest speed, you can see the individual frames in the animation.

This is no problem to me; I had previously played the game at slowest speed, and I hadn't noticed any jerkyness. It was only when, as a result of reading comments in the thread, I went to explicitly look for it that I noticed it - it's really no problem for me.

If I play at normal speed, the animation looks smooth. I guess that BHG are using the same number of frames for an animation cycle for all speed settings, so this is going to happen. If they were to have more frames at the lower settings they could fix this "problem", but it doesn't seem worth it to me.

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I haven't noticed any jerkiness in the units- again, at normal speed.

I think the units look pretty fantastic. I've played as the germans and the british and there are incredible details- the regular german "industrial age" infantry look different from the british "industrial age" infantry. In the modern era, it's even more exacerbated.

And is it just me, or do the German classical infantry (solduri) look like conan the barbarian?

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yeah its cool

artwork is better than AoM by a long shot, except they're not as crisp as AoM's.

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