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Berzerker is offline Berzerker
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Bullshit. Ask Doc Strangelove how many times he's seen people come through his hospital all ****ed up because of pot.


You really believe he's a doctor?

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ANYBODY EVER HEARD OF REEFER MADNESS?!?!


Ah, yes, Strangelove's authoritative source about pot.


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The benevolent pot smoker sitting on the couch and not hurting anybody is the biggest ****ing myth.


"Benevolent" or not, just what percentage of pot smokers do you think are running around hurting people?

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Hey but if you pot smoking losers want to convince yourselves it's all harmless by all means go ahead and **** up your lives.


Hmm...is your standard that all activities must be 100% harmless?

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You'd better have insurance because I'll be DAMNED if I'm going to pay for your ****ing hospital bills.


Then I trust you will never accept any government subsidised health care benefits either since that would mean others are paying for your hospital bills.

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And your clogged arteries.

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That's it I'm throwing you in jail too Berz!!!




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The article mentioned that Canada will toughen penalties for farmers.


While I agree with the majority here that decriminalizing marijuana is a step in the right direction, I have to say that I am shocked that Canada is going to discriminate against its farmers in this matter. Why can't the lonely and bored Canadian farmer fire up a joint after a hard day "on the shield" without the fear of tougher penalties than other Canadians? Is it because they work with heavy equipment like thrashers and stuff? If so, then why aren't construction workers under the same restrictions? This law is biased, and I hope that you Canadians won't let it stand!

Berzerker is offline Berzerker
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Yeah, that's strange cause I thought Canadian farmers could already grow industrial hemp (as opposed to pot). Will they have to run around checking all the pot plants to see if they have buds on them?

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Yeah, that's strange cause I thought Canadian farmers could already grow industrial hemp (as opposed to pot). Will they have to run around checking all the pot plants to see if they have buds on them?


Are you volunteering to insure compliance by removing any buds that might be found on Canadian hemp?

Berzerker is offline Berzerker
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Hehe

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striker: for your sake, I hope you are intentionally trolling

Lincoln is offline Lincoln
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Oh good, another nation gone to pot. they should have learned something from Europe. Now we can expect more idiocy from our northern neighbors like we get from the European stoned intellectuals. Stay high dudes...

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Small amounts of pot was virtually decriminalized in Vancouver in the late 70's. I think it became an actual misdemeanor there a little later. No cop would ever arrest you there for a small amount. I recall that at Rocky Horror people would be openly smoking in line and the cops didnt care so long as you werent disturbing the peace.

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Bullshit. Ask Doc Strangelove how many times he's seen people come through his hospital all ****ed up because of pot.

Hmmm... listen to my grandfather, 87 years young and still in full command of his faculties, having successfully raised 7 children (including Mom, of course ), ran his own farm for, man, must've been at least 40 years, respected in the community, never been in any trouble with the law at any point in his life...

...or an internet kook who thinks of Doctor Strangelove as a medical expert.

Wow, Striker, you're right, what was I thinking .

Berzerker is offline Berzerker
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Oh good, another nation gone to pot. they should have learned something from Europe. Now we can expect more idiocy from our northern neighbors like we get from the European stoned intellectuals. Stay high dudes...


Pot was legal in this country up until the 1930's. Were the Founding Fathers flakes for not starting a drug war way back then? Oh yeah, you don't actually debate, you just insult people and run away.

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Originally posted by Berzerker
Ted -

You really believe he's a doctor?



Ah, yes, Strangelove's authoritative source about pot.




"Benevolent" or not, just what percentage of pot smokers do you think are running around hurting people?



Hmm...is your standard that all activities must be 100% harmless?



Then I trust you will never accept any government subsidised health care benefits either since that would mean others are paying for your hospital bills.



And your clogged arteries.



More self-parody?

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I'm too lazy to sort through 5 pages of war.

Has anyone pointed out how stupid it is to decriminalize, rather than make legal and tax ?

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I'm too lazy to sort through 5 pages of war.

Has anyone pointed out how stupid it is to decriminalize, rather than make legal and tax ?


That's not too much different than decriminalize.
Caught for minor possession will become like a caught for over-parking. You just pay the pot-ticket instead of a parking-ticket.

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It's a Hell of a lot different.
If pot is legal, and sold like beer, it's controlled and taxed.

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Lincoln -

Pot was legal in this country up until the 1930's. Were the Founding Fathers flakes for not starting a drug war way back then? Oh yeah, you don't actually debate, you just insult people and run away.


Cocaine was legal as well. What is your point? Should cocaine be legal? Yes__ No__

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And becomes a massive source of revenue for the government. But decriminilization is needed as the first step.

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Well I'd like to debate you Berzeker but I have to go to bed now. Is that alright? Yes, I do have another life besides posting on Apolyton and engaging in endless trivial debates. If I forget to look up this thread tomorrow will you forgive me?

Boris Godunov is offline Boris Godunov
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Ted -

You really believe he's a doctor?



Ah, yes, Strangelove's authoritative source about pot.


What the hell? You disagree with his point of view, so you accuse him of lying about his profession? And you then accuse others of casting about insults?

Tacky.

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Cocaine was legal as well. What is your point? Should cocaine be legal? Yes__ No__


Yes, and the point should be obvious - all drugs were legal under the Founders and the sky didn't fall. "Idiocy" did not run rampant, and drug dealers weren't running around engaging in shootouts like they have with your beloved drug war and like they did under alcohol prohibition.

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Well I'd like to debate you Berzeker but I have to go to bed now. Is that alright?


You'd like to debate?

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Yes, I do have another life besides posting on Apolyton and engaging in endless trivial debates.


That's nice. Hey everyone, Lincoln has a life when he's not posting at Apolyton.

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If I forget to look up this thread tomorrow will you forgive me?


Maybe if you apologise. But if you do remember to look up the thread, offer some arguments to support your position instead of accusing people of idiocy for not agreeing with you.

Berzerker is offline Berzerker
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What the hell? You disagree with his point of view, so you accuse him of lying about his profession?


I doubt he is a doctor because of his "reefer madness" style arguments, not because he disagrees with me. As far as I know, Strangelove has never claimed to be doctor, he has only mentioned what he has seen in a hospital. For all I know, he pushes a broom around the ER. And I didn't accuse Strangelove of lying, I asked if Ted really believed he was a doctor since it was Ted who claimed he had medical expertise. Pay attention.

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And you then accuse others of casting about insults?


When people insult me, I'll insult them back. When people lie or tell falsehoods about others to justify hurting them, as Strangelove does with drug users, I won't pat them on the back.

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Tacky.


Clueless Boris.

Berzerker is offline Berzerker
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Oh, Boris, look at Lincoln's posts, I'm sure you will want to reprimand him for insulting people for not agreeing with him.

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I doubt he is a doctor because of his "reefer madness" style arguments, not because he disagrees with me. As far as I know, Strangelove has never claimed to be doctor, he has only mentioned what he has seen in a hospital. For all I know, he pushes a broom around the ER. And I didn't accuse Strangelove of lying, I asked if Ted really believed he was a doctor since it was Ted who claimed he had medical expertise. Pay attention.


So his observations condradict your notions of how drug users should behave, so he's not a doctor? That's a pretty obnoxious sentiment. And he has certainly professed to be a doctor, as I can distinctly recall. Ergo your implication that he isn't is tantamount to implying he is a liar. If he's not a doctor, I'll stand corrected, but I should hope he would come clean about it now, since he's seen fit to dispense medical advice as one.

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When people insult me, I'll insult them back. When people lie or tell falsehoods about others to justify hurting them, as Strangelove does with drug users, I won't pat them on the back.


Riiiight. Doc S relates observations that you haven't seen, so he must be lying intentionally to hurt drug users. Now what if he's telling the truth, and you just don't want to believe it because it doesn't jive with you? Is that so beyond the realm of possibility?

I've seen people behave pretty ridiculously on drugs myself. I am mostly pro-legalization, but I'm not going to bury my head in the sand to the bad effects drugs have on people.

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Clueless Boris.


Pathetic Bezerker.

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Oh, Boris, look at Lincoln's posts, I'm sure you will want to reprimand him for insulting people for not agreeing with him.


I'm well aware of Lincoln's penchant for insults, but he's at least an ACTIVE PARTICIPANT in this thread and isn't attacking posters who aren't here.

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Well I'm late in this thread, so let me just say...

Berzerker is offline Berzerker
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So his observations condradict your notions of how drug users should behave, so he's not a doctor?


He doesn't know how drug users behave, he allegedly knows how SOME drugs users behave and extrapolates from that to "justify" hurting all drug users.

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That's a pretty obnoxious sentiment.


You aren't getting it yet, I don't like Strangelove and it has nothing to do with his position. It has to do with his rationale, his desire to hurt millions of people based on lies, distortions, or falsehoods which he promotes as someone with medical knowledge. But you think I'm being obnoxious and not him? Maybe if you were the one being thrown in a cage for what someone else did, you'd have a new perspective on whom is being obnoxious.

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And he has certainly professed to be a doctor, as I can distinctly recall.


Did I say you didn't distinctly recall him claiming to be a doctor?

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Ergo your implication that he isn't is tantamount to implying he is a liar.


My implication doesn't depend on what you claim to know about Strangelove. My question was for someone claiming he was doctor.

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If he's not a doctor, I'll stand corrected, but I should hope he would come clean about it now, since he's seen fit to dispense medical advice as one.


You stand corrected now, I've never seen him claim to be a doctor and that's what matters. It doesn't matter if you saw him claim to be a doctor. I was under the impression he was a counsellor of some kind who dealt with addicts, not a doctor.

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Riiiight. Doc S relates observations that you haven't seen, so he must be lying intentionally to hurt drug users.


Well, that answers my first question, you are. I said "lies or falsehoods". Now, if I said all black people were criminals, wouldn't you call that a lie since it's impossible for me to know all black people? But I still gave him the benefit of some doubt by allowing for the possibility he's just ignorant and lacks the ability to think critically.

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Now what if he's telling the truth, and you just don't want to believe it because it doesn't jive with you? Is that so beyond the realm of possibility?


It's certainly a stretch, but since I asked Ted what he believed, why is this relevant?

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I've seen people behave pretty ridiculously on drugs myself. I am mostly pro-legalization, but I'm not going to bury my head in the sand to the bad effects drugs have on people.


Can you actually quote someone here claiming all drug use never results in any harm to anyone? If not, who are you accusing of burying their head in the sand? Hmm...insulting people who aren't here in the thread now?

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Pathetic Bezerker.


Yes, we know your feelings, and I know reading comprehension is not one of your strengths.

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I'm well aware of Lincoln's penchant for insults


But he still gets a pass from you.

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but he's at least an ACTIVE PARTICIPANT in this thread and isn't attacking posters who aren't here.


WTF do you think he said? Do you even read his posts? He accused people of idiocy for supporting Canada's "reform". You don't think that includes people who aren't here? Oh, btw, Strangelove has "participated" in a number of drug threads, but my question was for someone citing him as an authority we should respect. One more point, your little loophole is BS, in the thread about which poster you'd regret debating, people were attacking me long before I entered the thread but you didn't jump in there to chastise people attacking a non-participant, I believe you jumped in to attack me too, correct? Hmm...

Keep digging, you might hit China soon.

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pot in vancouver and in BC in general is no different than alcohal was in the prohibition days in the states.

minimal pot usage while killing some brain cells is no worse than having a few beers.....

its only a matter of time before pot becomes legal here in canada......which is a smart move.

i am not for legalizing all drugs as of yet, but you have to admit there are far less fights when people chill out and smoke reefer, than when rowdies have too many beers...

lets see....smoke get high, get munchies gain five pounds, lose a few brain cells and feel burnt out ...or have a real deeeeeeep conversation

lets see..... drink, get loaded, puke, ruin your teeth with the acid from your stomach, lose as many braincells, possibly run into another drunk which could escalate into a fight....end up arrested or passed out...

just one mans opinion and an exaggeration of events.... dont' need anyone ripping on me for being proactive.

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Wow, Striker, you're right, what was I thinking .



Agreed.

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