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yavoon
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Originally posted by paiktis22
Blacks are not faster or stronger or more pron to athletics or whatever.
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while I have been working on my telepathic abilities as of late. in the future if u wnt to make sure ppl understand that u rn't trying to make a point.
don't make one.
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Bereta_Eder
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you were refering to the pictures DL as proof of what I said.
What I said stands of course, you just live in the US.
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yavoon
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so outside the US black ppl dont run under 10 second 100 meters and white ppl do? and outside the US heavy weight champions aren't black(isnt the current one british!). and outside the US the sprinting medals at the olympics are proportionally split among the different represented ethnicities? and outside the US the emerging scientific findings about athleticism and genetics are invalid?
interesting theory.
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Bereta_Eder
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exactly. outside the US blacks are just the same as other people.
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Buck Birdseed
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Khoon Ki Pyasi Dayan (1988)
Nov 2000
time: 05:28
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I saw an hour-long documentary about a team of scientists who went down to Kenya to find out what exactly was the reason. They went through all of the variables suggested here, and no, the fitness level wasn't naturally higher, there was not a larger portion of brown fat, nor was the attitude relevant (randomly chosen kenyans still ran faster than their scandinavian equivalents). The altitude thing was discarded entirely- if they train and compete at high altitude they should actually be at a disadvantage compared to ground-level people!
No, the reason, as far as the documentary team was able to ascertain, was as simple as the fact that they had thin ankles. No, seriously. The volume of their lower legs was significantly lower than that of most other peoples', and thus they ran faster.
paik: Let's not kid ourselves, the only reason Greek athletes succeed is because of their heavy use of doping, in an almost East German way, and the way your ****ing federation fights against WADA's every move. A greek victory is not a real sports victory, it's a cheater's triumph.
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Bereta_Eder
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yeah i'm saddened by this too, butlets not kid ourselves, the americans ans soviets ruined athletism for all of us
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Bereta_Eder
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everyone dopes thats the problem, so the best athlete AND drug wins.
a sad state of affairs indeed, and not so olympic to say the least.
i recomend the book the truth about the olympics for more. includes an american woman who almost grew balls from the dopes.
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Tingkai
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To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
time: 13:28
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Originally posted by Buck Birdseed
The altitude thing was discarded entirely- if they train and compete at high altitude they should actually be at a disadvantage compared to ground-level people!
No, the reason, as far as the documentary team was able to ascertain, was as simple as the fact that they had thin ankles. No, seriously. The volume of their lower legs was significantly lower than that of most other peoples', and thus they ran faster.
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Well let's see a link or a name for the documentary.
I find it hard to believe that altitude has no affect on physical fitness. People who live at higher altitudes require more blood cells because of the reduced oxgen content. Put them into a lower altitude setting and the higher number of blood cells allows them to transmit more oxygen to the blood. That's been proven time and again.
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Tingkai
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To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
time: 13:28
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So what do we have after six pages of discussion?
We all would agree that black people come in all shapes and sizes. Some blacks have bodies that are ideal for boxing, others for sprinting, others for marathon, some have the height for basketball, some are short, some are incredibly fat, others are stick-thin.
Seems to me that the extreme diversity of body types within the so-called black race is proof that blacks are not necessarily faster than whites or Asians.
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Berzerker
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topeka, kansas,USA
May 1999
time: 23:28
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Tingkai - quote:
The "height is caused by environment" is an outdated and flawed theory. It's full of holes.
That's why the "height is caused by diet" theory is now accepted as being more valid. |
Asians eating a western diet have gotten taller because of the differences in diet. Do tall Africans eat a western diet? According to that logic, asians would become giants if they lived a few generations with some of those really tall African peoples. Sorry, diet doesn't explain why the tallest peoples in the world are found in Africa.
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We have statistical proof for different races and countries that average heights have increased as diets have improved. The Japanese are much taller now, on average, compared to 50 years ago, because their diet has improved. So are North Americans. |
Then the Watusi must have the best diets, huh.
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The food theory explains why Northern Chinese are generally taller than Southern Chinese. Their diets are different (grain-based in the north, rice-based in the south). |
Diet is just one more factor, but to dismiss environment is to ignore 100,000's of years of fossils and common sense. Bodies in hot climates with little access to shade will evolve to increase skin area relative to body mass to help evaporation, and in colder climates, skin area will decrease relative to body mass to conserve heat.
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I find it hard to believe that altitude has no affect on physical fitness. People who live at higher altitudes require more blood cells because of the reduced oxgen content. Put them into a lower altitude setting and the higher number of blood cells allows them to transmit more oxygen to the blood. That's been proven time and again. |
As well as lung capacity to accomodate those blood cells, but you just contradicted your previous argument that environment doesn't effect physique. If altitude can produce such profound changes, why wouldn't climate?
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We all would agree that black people come in all shapes and sizes. Some blacks have bodies that are ideal for boxing, others for sprinting, others for marathon, some have the height for basketball, some are short, some are incredibly fat, others are stick-thin. |
You won't find many fat people in Africa, that's more a product of junk food and/or the sedentary lifestyle we see in western cultures, especially North America.
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Seems to me that the extreme diversity of body types within the so-called black race is proof that blacks are not necessarily faster than whites or Asians. |
We weren't discussing whether or not a fat black or pygmy can beat a thin, tall white man in a race? This was why blacks dominate running events, so obviously we're talking about certain black body types and how those body types came to exist. Talking about "averages" is futile since we don't see the average white and black in races, just the cream of the crop.
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chegitz guevara
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Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
time: 00:28
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quote:
Originally posted by Azazel
Tingkai:
up next: extreme sports are dominated by whites, because Blacks are chickenshit.  |
I thought the irony of Azazel's comment bore repeating.
The fact that Kenyan's might exell at long distance running (specifically Masai) only means that one particular subgroup of Black people is exceptionally good at this, not that Black people in general are better at it than white people in general.
Why do white folks dominate hockey, jai lai, la cross, polo, vollyball, baseball, etc.?
It's not genetic, it's not cultural. It's opportunity and the lack therof that drives people in certain directions. Provide people with more opportunities and they will tend to scatter their efforts. Narrow people's opportunities, and they will tend to excell in those areas remaining open to them. Or do you suppose Jews just had a natural predisposition towards being good with money in the Middle Ages?
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