15-05-2003 20:37									#1
	Are you 'yes' man? Tired of ads?

If someone asks you favours, do you keep doing them without anyone ever returning them back? Man, I'm so tired of helping out other people even when they are my buddies or relatives.

Basically they all make good money on their jobs, and yet they call me everytime when they need some tech support. They think I enjoy 30 minute drives with expensive gas and no income to come and fix their crap.
Just today I was in one of my relatives work to help fix their network which they once again managed to crash.I told that I'm tired and I won't come. Well, apparentely they were in a middle of very important work due to tomorrow, and they can't close some deal if they don't get it working because all their work is now stuck. Their PAID tech support was in vacation, and it would have been super expensive to hire outside help there, because the firm is located nowhere near civilization, and problems being big. No worries! I'll be there, just let me put my clothes on I don't care what time it is, I'll come there right away! Don't worry!

I thought I'd have to help them out, because I was their only hope and they are a business, tomorrow important thing and I can't complain, I'd be buttface if I didn't help. So I drive over there, nothing working. Well I work with the computers all day in HOT offices with no AC or windows. Sweating like a pig I crawl under the tables only to get some fat boss breathing in my neck, who by the way is not MY boss and who I'm helping because I decided to help out of my own time. 'Is it working yet?' 'If you brake something, you have to pay' 'when is this going to work?' 'do you even know what you're doing?' Yeah? F U TOO!

So after just 5 hours everything is working perfecto, and I even configured there personal e-mail settings to every computer because their tech support was too lazy, and may I add I installed those CD-Rs to 4 computers which tech support was too lazy to do also.
So I'm busting my butt off there for them, because they needed my help. I wasn't there for money, but god damn I was expecting that they would compensate with at least little token for my time and effort. What did I get? NOTHING! Not even cup of coffee. These jerks where drinking coffee and eating snacks while I was working and they didn't even bother to ask me if I wanted any. Thanks for nothing! Sure, it would have been hella expensive to make some tech guy come there urgently and work for whole day in emergency. I wasn't expecting to get $400 out of it. But maybe $10 for dinner at least. Shhiiieet.. if I go crazy one day, I know one place I'll burn down.

	15-05-2003 20:40									#2
	Tired of ads?

I figure if I hadn't come, they couldn't have finished their work, thus being unable to do the representing they are doing tomorrow and losing lots of money. Right? So I might be little selfish, but I think some of that money tomorrow they get is because I helped them, and without that it would have been impossible. So, maybe something little appreciation would have been nice, I wasn't asking anything, or wanted anything big, but god damn something even free t-shirt or something. Plus I don't have savings or money in my pocket, so.. but hey it's good to abuse people who are willing to help, because it's free. It's good business. Doesn't cost a cent.
Maybe a handshake and a smile? Maybe discount of their products? F*ing nothing!

	15-05-2003 20:40									#3
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Yes.

	15-05-2003 20:43									#4
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I am sure they though that you would be offended of their giving a tip because you did that just for help !

	15-05-2003 20:43									#5
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Stefu, we are fools .

I also want to say, that I applied for job there a year ago, didn't get it. So what do I think of them now? I really don't like them and I'm not afraid to say it. I don't like them.

	15-05-2003 20:44									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka If someone asks you favours, do you keep doing them without anyone ever returning them back? Man, I'm so tired of helping out other people even when they are my buddies or relatives.

My friends and relatives do that to me too, but they at least buy me lunch or dinner.

quote: Originally posted by Pekka Well I work with the computers all day in HOT offices with no AC or windows. Sweating like a pig I crawl under the tables only to get some fat boss breathing in my neck, who by the way is not MY boss and who I'm helping because I decided to help out of my own time. 'Is it working yet?' 'If you brake something, you have to pay' 'when is this going to work?' 'do you even know what you're doing?' Yeah? F U TOO!

That was dumb. You had them by their collective neck, and you could have make some demands. Like turn on the AC, buy you lunch, stop breathing down your neck or you'd quit, pay for your petrol, things like that.

quote: Originally posted by Pekka I wasn't expecting to get $400 out of it. But maybe $10 for dinner at least. Shhiiieet.. if I go crazy one day, I know one place I'll burn down.

US$100 per hour, minimum 2 hours.

	15-05-2003 20:45									#7
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DAVOUT, sure, but how about compensate the travel cost? Or just even a god damn handshake with a smile? How about coffee? these people were not handling the situation very nicely, even though they might have had pressures about tomorrow, they could have thought about my feelings too, I'm human too.

	15-05-2003 20:51									#8
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Business is business. You have to tell them, before doing anything, for that job I want so much. They agree or not, but nobody is disappointed. You have nothing to loose, and they get the job done for a fair price if they agree.

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	15-05-2003 20:51									#9
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UR, well if I'd be realistic, I could have been looking about $600 plus configurations AND installing hardware and softwares to them, and that's extra. Plus I did drive there with gas that is more than $4 dollars per gallon to middle of nowhere. But hey, the work itself and the knowledge they can proceed for tomorrows deals should be enough for me, right? Yeah..

	15-05-2003 20:52									#10
	Tired of ads?

I didn't actually read your post. I just answered 'yes', because, hell, in a thread titled like that, there's gotta be one guy who posts an one-word reply, 'yes'. 's like a law of nature.

	15-05-2003 20:54									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Stefu I didn't actually read your post. I just answered 'yes', because, hell, in a thread titled like that, there's gotta be one guy who posts an one-word reply, 'yes'. 's like a law of nature.

And you beat me to it you bastard.

	15-05-2003 20:54									#12
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You weren't helping an individual, you were helping a company. So yes, you should bargain some sort of compensation beforehand. You don't need to rack them over a fire, but still, getting what you feel is fair is important.

	15-05-2003 20:57									#13
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DAVOUT, business IS business sure. But I think keeping everyone happy if possible is good business. Why treat people this way? Are they expecting my help next time? I'm telling you, travel expenses and maybe lunch, coffee when they had some and then handshakes and everyone being happy and thanking me woudl have been enough. Then next time, I could come and help again when they have emergency.
'if you brake it, you'll have to pay for it' YEAH SURE! Nice one. As if...

plus, I believe in helping others, that it gives lots of chances in future, don't close the doors. So I was trying to talk little with the boss like 'so why can't you call your tech support and make him come here? this is emergency, don't you have any backup plans for these situations?' 'Yes but it's very expensive, but you're doing good work so we're happy with this solution' 'Ok.. I once applied this job btw a year ago or so' 'Yeah I remember' 'So... any openings coming soon?' 'No'.
Yeah. thanks for nothing.

	15-05-2003 21:00									#14
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UR, Yeah. But it was my relatives work place, so I did it. If it was some company just calling me 'hey wanna help' I wouldn't do it
My relative holds a small place there so.. I was mostly thinking I'm helping him too. But those other bastards, they were like 'cool, relatives helping, we don't need to appreciate it at all! Let's just drink coffee and take brakes and let him sweat'.

	15-05-2003 21:00									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka plus, I believe in helping others, that it gives lots of chances in future, don't close the doors. So I was trying to talk little with the boss like 'so why can't you call your tech support and make him come here? this is emergency, don't you have any backup plans for these situations?' 'Yes but it's very expensive, but you're doing good work so we're happy with this solution' 'Ok.. I once applied this job btw a year ago or so' 'Yeah I remember' 'So... any openings coming soon?' 'No'. Yeah. thanks for nothing.

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	15-05-2003 21:04									#16
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It's not that I didn't get any money out of it, but I'm offended that they treated me like I was some mule. They needed help so they can do business tomorrow! I'd be extra happy if someone helped in that situation and give EXTRA, not LESS or certainly not NOTHING with no apprecation as summer bonus. So I'm offended that I got treated like that, I'm deeply hurt that they didn't even offer me coffee.

	15-05-2003 21:06									#17
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But I'm sure they feel bad tomorrow when they close the deal and think back about the work and remember that I helped them. I'm sure they feel bad about themselves being so rude and they deserve the feeling too.

	15-05-2003 21:08									#18
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This is a case where a qualified worker is expoited not by the system but by himself.

Everybody is happy but YOU. So you must adapt your answer to the situation as it is, and people as they are really, and not as you would prefer them to be.

Helping is fine, but nobody said it should be free.

Try next time, particularly if you are reluctant to ask money. Nobody will do it for you.

	15-05-2003 21:11									#19
	Tired of ads?

No. I just won't help these people anymore, they offended me and that's fine. Oh, and if even one of those guys so much as thinks insulting me in the streets, I'm gonna smash and crush them and brake their arms.

	15-05-2003 21:11									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka If someone asks you favours, do you keep doing them without anyone ever returning them back? Man, I'm so tired of helping out other people even when they are my buddies or relatives.

Generally I help, however, if I get the feeling that a particular person is just abusing anotherone to avoid doing some work by itself I cancel my help quickly. I usually donīt have this problem with friends or relatives, or at the university where most other people are willing to help too, but sometimes I experienced such things at work.

BTW, some years ago I was exactly like you, I helped everyone without thinking of doing my own stuff, but at some point you get the trick to avoid this. So when I canīt help because of own things to do I say so - no problem for the most people. And if they have a problkem with that I donīt care. I think a big reason for helping really everytime is that one thinks the other person (esp. if it is a friend) is insulted then (when you donīt help). But a friend who doesnīt understand why I canīt help in every minute of my life can **** off

	15-05-2003 21:14									#21
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I'll continue helping my friends though. I just won't help these people who make lots of money and do business and then treat me bad. These guys I don't help anymore. And I don't know if you missed something, but I was willing to help FREE. But I was looking for cup of coffee and stuff like that.

	15-05-2003 21:16									#22
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At least I can enjoy the thought that I can kick everyone of their butts and kill them with my bare hands. Now this is healthy thinking

	15-05-2003 21:17									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka It's not that I didn't get any money out of it, but I'm offended that they treated me like I was some mule. They needed help so they can do business tomorrow! I'd be extra happy if someone helped in that situation and give EXTRA, not LESS or certainly not NOTHING with no apprecation as summer bonus. So I'm offended that I got treated like that, I'm deeply hurt that they didn't even offer me coffee.

I agree with you, they're some asinine persons. People are often like that though, so you need to assert yourself. Being a nice guy is one thing, being without backbone is quite another.

For example, when the boss said, "If you break something, you pay for it," I'd reply, "Okay, I guess I won't be touching anymore of your equipment then, " and stop working.

	15-05-2003 21:18									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka I'll continue helping my friends though. I just won't help these people who make lots of money and do business and then treat me bad. These guys I don't help anymore. And I don't know if you missed something, but I was willing to help FREE. But I was looking for cup of coffee and stuff like that.

Why not? As long as they pay you truckloads of $$$.

	15-05-2003 21:20									#25
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Forget the cup of coffee and take their money next time. You will probably get everything else in addition.

	15-05-2003 21:21									#26
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Well if I would have broken something, I definitely wouldn't have paid for it, that's for sure. I have backbone. I have lots of it. But if you can help someone and you don't have anything important to do, then why not just help? People don't walk over me. They enter in a world of hurt if they do. But they decided to do what they did, so they pay the price of not having my help anymore if they need it in the future even if they offer me money. Maybe they don't need me in the future or don't even care, but that's the price they paid anyway. And if they decide to insult me ever again, I will give them free sunglasses.

	15-05-2003 21:22									#27
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UR, No I don't help these guys anymore even if they paid me. even if they paid me good money. This I call my backbone.

	15-05-2003 21:23									#28
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Years ago, I had this problem too. The solution was to do all the work, smile etc, take all the crap, do the job, and walk away.

Then send them a bill.

I almost never got paid - but they sure were loath to ask for my services again, which is what I was aiming for without loss of reputation.

Long term, this strategy saves you an awful lot of hassle.

	15-05-2003 21:30									#29
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Besides this will come to my victory one day. I know it.
Some day even this little thing and this day will become something bigger. A way or another. I know I did good job helping, so I'm pleased with myself. I know for a fact that these guys are rotten. A way or another man..

Maybe earth will get destroyed and aliens saves me and I get to pick one of the guys with me, so if I see one of them.. keep on waiving dude theres no coffee for you in this ship.. I'll pick the bad smelling homeless woman with breasts that are touching the ground and teeth missing.

Well.. maybe this is not realistic.. but a way or another this will one day play for me.

	15-05-2003 22:00									#30
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