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MY WORDS ARE BACKED WITH BIO-CHEMICAL WEAPONS
Oct 2000
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Originally posted by Azazel
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The creation of a Jewish state was never a necessity to anyone but Zionists. Its not an inviteability and it certainly wasn't worth the cost.
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Says you.
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One of the main reasons for Jewish terrorism under the British mandate was this prohibition of the British. Plus, the British were not very successful in stopping Jewish immigration.
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The vast majority of holocaust survivors made it to Palestine only after the war.
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Forgive me, I consider living side by side with someone who moves into your neighbourhood with no problems and even a good amount of cooperation as accepting. In the 1920s it was quite clear that many Jewish immigrants weren't simply moving in but had greater designs for Palestine. |
Since they didn't have a national identity at that point, they hardly bothered.
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Right and have been incorporated into the current government, while this poll says that 57% are for promoting arab immigration, the inhabitants of Yanun have been pushed out of their homes by settler harrassment and a lack of water and electricity,
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You want me to tell you of inhabitants of settlements "pushed out" because of palestinian "harrassement" by automatic fire and fatal attack on civilians? 
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inhabitants of Hebron continue to leave because of settler harrassment and round the clock curfews to protect the 500 jewish settlers.
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Yes, the palestinians are fleeing.  Some Israelis have left Israel too, due to terrorism. ETHNIC CLEANSING!!!! 
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Meanwhile many mini-transfers happen as a result of building the infamous wall.
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Yes. Palestinians are moving westward INSIDE the wall, to become a part of Israel.  |
hi ,
just one remark , they forget all the people > Jews and catholics who came to us in 1948 , who had to flee from the arab world , .....
the 8th of may is not even ten days old , ......
what is that again about he who forgets his history is doomed to repeat it , .....
have a nice day
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Not allowing those X thousands of Pals to return home is in itself absolutely wrong, but it allows the existance of Israel and from my own selfish reasons i'm going to support this wrongness. |
Well, I can respect the honesty of the statement, but it also puts blame on your shoulders.
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MACEDONIA - It's the name of the sovereign country to the north of Greece
Apr 2000
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Exactly, so you see my point. Zionists say we need a Jewish state, other people say whatever, people living on the land of said state say WTF. So who gets blamed for the current situation. Theres obviously enough to go around, but can you blame the Palestinians for the reaction?
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No. neither can I blame the Zionists. now, we have to reach an agreement and split it. fair enough?
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Amazingly you can make decisions and such without a national identity, but I understand your harping on the theme.
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Ahem, how exactly? Why would one bother, if he cannot define himself at a national level, but defines himself at a clan level? It's not that jews were moving into arab villages.
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DUH! and my question is how will the political outlook in Israel will change as the situation only gets worse. Stay on the subject. |
"stay on the subject"? you brought alleged examples of transfer taking place, I refuted them. you, stay on the subject!
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A sense of community wouldn't bring Xenophobia to jewish immigrants, and guess what? It didn't. It was only after the riots that were about the Wailing wall prayers, that the palestinian identity started to form. before that, it was the sedimentary Falahs against the semi-nomadic Beduins. |
Both quotes are from Tom Segev's "One Palestine Complete"
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"In 1920, some forty Arab national associations with approximately three thousand Muslim and Christian members were active in Palestine." |
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Once, an Arab notable in Jerusalem had implored Theodore Herzl, "The world is big enough, there are other, uninhabited lands in which millions of poor jews could be settled.... In the name of God, leave Palestine alone!" That was in 1899. Two years later several leaders of the Arab community sent a petition to their Turkish rulers demanding that the entry of Jews into Palestine be restricted and that they be restricted from purchasing land." |
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IIRC, the Jews lived in the area that is now Israel for centuries as a minority under a Muslim nation. They lived largely in peace and |
Not hardly. There were riots and attacks against Jews going back at least 150 years. And while there were times when Jews were able to live in relative harmony with Muslims, albeit generally viewed with contempt, they were often persecuted, attacked and killed. (Although in general, they were probaly better off than their counterparts in Europe. But that's not saying much).
Spain? Tell that to the 5000+ jews massacred when Arabs razed the Jewish quarter of Granada in the 11th century. Throughout history, similar pogroms, other attacks against (and forced conversions of) the Jews throughout the arab and muslim world.
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18-05-2003 01:03
and I suppose they can tell it to the 700,000 Palestinians kicked out of their homes after 1948 or maybe they already have. Pity the Pals didn't understand. Get off this crap, its 2 wrongs make a right logic even when the second wrong is done to people who have nothing to do with the first.
Conquest becomes problematic in the last half of the 20th.
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