22-05-2003 10:00									#1
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To be edited by the Consuls and Ministers.

Status:
- Researching map making at 100% (8)
- Luxury Slider at 0%
- 89 gold cash, -1 gpt

Urgent questions & tasks:
FAM: Negotiations with GCA: NAP
FAM: Negotiations with CDG: MM for Math+Philosophy back on?, CB for gold, NAP & border combo,
FAM: Please get Morris the warrior the heck out of Dodge. Now!

Unit movement & actions:
N1 'MerZenary' moves to central location
N2 'Mao' awaits developments
W2 'BigFree' to fortify move NW or N (7 or 8)
W3 'Alva' fortified
W4 'Theseus' to skip turn
W5 'BFW' fortified
W6 'Hagbart' fortified
W7 'WhiteBandit' to skip turn
W8 'not_panag' fortified
W9 'X' proceeds in northerly direction

Economy:
Apolyton building merc
Mingapulco building barracks
Banatopia building granary
Incensity building archer; last turn for switch to Barracks
Tripoli building walls ??

WF: See this post for WF placements
Apolyton: 4, 5, 13
Mingapulco: 3. 10
Bananatopia: 2, 9
Incensity: 5
Ironcity: 2 (change name to Tripoli, as the poll is overwelmingly in that name's favor)
[EDIT] changes made in Bold Italics

Workers
Worker1 'Dan' building mine (1)
Worker2 'Monkee' chopping (3)
Worker3 'panag' finished road. Begin mine (3)
Worker4 'EVC' building road (1)

Diplomacy:
CDG: If we have to complete that archer, many people are going to want to use it...
CDG: Waiting response for Ceremonial Burial
CDG: NAP expired. Talking about renewal - draft in works.
GCA: NAP in effect (to Turn 59). Tech trade in effect Map Making and Horseback Riding for Polytheism and Mysticism
CFC: NAP in effect (to Turn 83).

Comment, please, many "plans" (especially those marked with '??') are just suggestions or ideas, not decisions already made.

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Discussion and basic reporting to follow. See the topped thread for comprehensive results.

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Last edited by vondrack on 25-05-2003 at 02:08

	22-05-2003 10:14									#2
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NAP with GCA... it is turn 59.

	22-05-2003 11:56									#3
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I didn't post in correspondance because it was a small blurb (and ICQ doesn't log conversations evidentially) but History Buff sent me a PM that said "it appears our NAP is a go!"

I asked him to send me an official PM though, but apparently that is good to go.

	22-05-2003 20:13									#4
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I think CDG will leave; but I've sent notes to two member's of CDG asking for a chat on our irc server. We'll see what they say. I think by the time we chat or communicate with them, they will have already played the save. They may stay parked on the Iron for one turn; pretending like they didn't know better; but that will only last for one turn. I think it will not come down to war to have him leave.

	22-05-2003 20:46									#5
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I would like our Archer named after me if CDG does not get off our Iron.




Dominae

	22-05-2003 22:41									#6
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No Archers!

Archers are great for Archer rushes. Aside from that they're worthless. We're a wee bit after the point where an Archer rush would yield us anything.

MOW Summary:

Our military is:
Average compared with GCA
Average compared with CFC
Average compared with CDG

Forgive my MOW hiatus, I was busy scheming and simulating.

CDG is still trying to get a border agreement from us, using their Warrior on our iron as leverage. Mingapulco and Incensity continue to build up shields for our production factories. I'm really hoping we can change our build to Barracks in Incensity this turn.

• NM1 'MerZenary' will move 7-4 (NW-W) and fortify on the Game tile to heal HP.
  
  
• NM2 'Mao' will skip turn (spacebar) if the CDG Warrior does not move. If it does move, then move Mao into Tripoli.
  
  
• W4 'Theseus' will skip his turn (spacebar).
  Theseus is in place as part of the Warrior screen.
  
  
• W7 'WhiteBandit' will skip his turn (spacebar).
  WB comprises the western part of the Warrior screen.

	23-05-2003 07:28									#7
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How did Hispánica get renamed Incensity? Just wondering?

	23-05-2003 07:53									#8
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quote: Originally posted by DarkCloud How did Hispánica get renamed Incensity? Just wondering?

I'm not sure. It just sorta happened. Is that the one that was to be Hispanica?

	23-05-2003 08:35									#9
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quote: Originally posted by BigFree I think CDG will leave; but I've sent notes to two member's of CDG asking for a chat on our irc server. We'll see what they say. I think by the time we chat or communicate with them, they will have already played the save. They may stay parked on the Iron for one turn; pretending like they didn't know better; but that will only last for one turn. I think it will not come down to war to have him leave.

Yet another negotiation point.
If our warrior guarding the landbridge to CFC moves to the SE mountain, it will take CDG 1 extra turn to get their settler into position.

Not much of an issue...but it is a bargaining point to get CDG to remove Morris. You get to settle your city 1 turn sooner if Morris leaves.

Hell...they've blocked our passage, refused our requests to move Morris...perhaps we should just do this for spite anyway.

	24-05-2003 23:16									#10
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I would have liked to have moved 2 turns sooner, to try to delay a bit longer, but that's out now.

E_T

	25-05-2003 00:28									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Hot_Enamel Yet another negotiation point. If our warrior guarding the landbridge to CFC moves to the SE mountain, it will take CDG 1 extra turn to get their settler into position. Not much of an issue...but it is a bargaining point to get CDG to remove Morris. You get to settle your city 1 turn sooner if Morris leaves. Hell...they've blocked our passage, refused our requests to move Morris...perhaps we should just do this for spite anyway.

hi ,

we should have a city there , .....

have a nice day

	25-05-2003 01:38									#12
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quote: Originally posted by panag hi , we should have a city there , ..... have a nice day

Hi,

We will have a city there in about 65 to 75 turns or so. We won't even have to build the settler. Aint that great!?

Have an day

	25-05-2003 01:41									#13
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quote: Originally posted by E_T I would have liked to have moved 2 turns sooner, to try to delay a bit longer, but that's out now. E_T

I'm not at all sure that blocking and otherwise interfering with CDG is the best way to accomplish our goals.

We gain nothing. We do put CDG more on guard vs us. I think that would be counter-productive.

	25-05-2003 02:35									#14
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Nice to see that CDG want us to huge the left coast. While they're probably just trying to waste our time by having us emerge as far away as possible from Poly, it does mean that we get to fill in some of the blank tiles over there.

	25-05-2003 02:43									#15
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This actually works out well for us

E_T

	25-05-2003 03:11									#16
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OK, the situation is pretty good. Morris moved W (4) from our iron. We can now follow two strategies:

1) give CDG no chance to trigger our GA

means:
1a) N2 'Mao' moves E (6)
1b) W3 'Alva' stays fortified in Tripoli
==> iron remains "unclaimed" (theoretically, Morris can return there on the next turn)

2) secure our iron, whatever it costs

means:
2a) N2 'Mao' moves to Tripoli
2b) W3 'Alva' moves to iron
==> Mao exposed to a suicidal attack by Morris

In both cases, I suggest keeping our first Merc away from Morris:

c) W8 'not_panag' moves to Bananatopia
d) N1 'MerZenary' (@full health) moves to Apolyton

Personally, I lean towards the first option. If CDG moved Morris on the very turn they were 'obliged' to, it shows they want no troubles. Immediately "claiming" that iron seems not necessary.

	25-05-2003 03:12									#17
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notyoueither- yes, that's correct that one was slated to be Hispánica

	25-05-2003 03:16									#18
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Hi, We will have a city there in about 65 to 75 turns or so. We won't even have to build the settler. Aint that great!? Have an day

hi ,

thats the spirit we are missing

now lets start to plot to get it back , ....

have a nice day

	25-05-2003 03:20									#19
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quote: Originally posted by DarkCloud How did Hispánica get renamed Incensity? Just wondering?

Where did you get the name Hispánica from? It was called Incensity all along.

	25-05-2003 03:29									#20
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I like these moves. CDG will not return to the Iron, after just having left it; there's no reason for it. Talks are going well and they just gave us instructions for moving BigFree back through their territory. The only thing I'd want to do is keep Mao away from Morris, they don't get along to well!

1a) N2 'Mao' moves E (6)
1b) W3 'Alva' stays fortified in Tripoli

	25-05-2003 03:57									#21
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quote: Originally posted by BigFurryMonster Where did you get the name Hispánica from? It was called Incensity all along.

Actually, it was called 'X' on turn 50, then it appears as if I renamed it Incensity of turn 51. I cannot for the life of me remember why I did that except for it maybe having something to do with chat.

Darkstar, any problem naming the next city (horses) Hispanica? We will be getting fine stallions from ranches near there and it will amount to quite a nice little city in a short time.

	25-05-2003 04:11									#22
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Actually, it was called 'X' on turn 50, then it appears as if I renamed it Incensity of turn 51. I cannot for the life of me remember why I did that except for it maybe having something to do with chat.

Actually, it's probably me to blame, at least partially... I have been referring to that site as Incensity for some time (as it is this way easier to remember where the city is). The name gained some support and IIRC somebody expressly asked for the city to be renamed this way - so nye used that name eventually.

	25-05-2003 04:12									#23
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Let's avoid the possibility of a GA for now.

	25-05-2003 04:12									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Theseus Let's avoid the possibility of a GA for now.

hi ,

for as long as its possible

have a nice day

	25-05-2003 05:31									#25
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quote: Where did you get the name Hispánica from? It was called Incensity all along.

Well, that had been the long-term plan all along- Master Zen, myself and 3 others voted for it in the Minister of Lexicography thread

I was under the impression that the city had been named Hispanica, so I deleted it from the list... then just 4 days ago noticed that the city hadn't been named Hispanica

Hispánica had been suggested by Master Zen

	25-05-2003 05:38									#26
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quote: Originally posted by DarkCloud quote: Where did you get the name Hispánica from? It was called Incensity all along. Well, that had been the long-term plan all along- Master Zen, myself and 3 others voted for it in the Minister of Lexicography thread I was under the impression that the city had been named Hispanica, so I deleted it from the list... then just 4 days ago noticed that the city hadn't been named Hispanica Hispánica had been suggested by Master Zen

* dejon pounces on the obvious pun

I suppose that was rather Incensitive of us, eh?

	25-05-2003 12:56									#27
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Suh, I am Incensed by your remark.

	25-05-2003 13:10									#28
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Yes, I think it was Incensere of us to do that.

	25-05-2003 13:24									#29
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See? It's not such a bad name - you can have all kinds of word jokes with 'em.