22-05-2003 20:06									#1
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UNSC passes lifting of sanctions on iraq by 14-0 this AM. Allows iraqi oil to flow, accepts US and UK as "authority" in Iraq, encourages all countries to help with reconstruction and peacekeeping, establishes "central role" for UN, defers question of Iraqi debt.

Thanks to all who made this possible.

	22-05-2003 20:06									#2
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Now we must find some other excuse to hate them!

	22-05-2003 20:09									#3
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Okay! I, for one, will now swear off the French bashing!

Let's hope this trend of co-operation continues.

	22-05-2003 20:25									#4
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I think the French realized that if they're ever gonna see one Euro of debt repaid to them, they'd better accept the status quo, i.e. the UK and US control Iraq. Besides, there was no way Iraq was going to be able to pay anything until the oil started flowing again. French delays only resulted in delaying the debt repayments.

Now it is up to the US and UK to ensure that the France's trust is well placed.

	22-05-2003 20:28									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Sava Now we must find some other excuse to hate them!

I would be glad to help.

	22-05-2003 20:30									#6
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France attempted to make last minute oil deals w/ Saddam hoping that they could force the contracts on any new Iraqi government.

*******s.

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Good Ol' lancer!

Anyway: the Occupying powers have a ncie 12 motnhs before the UNSC gets to discussing Iraq again. Lets hope they are used wisely.

	22-05-2003 20:32									#8
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Unfortunately, Lancer, your statements hove not been shown to be true. watching Fox has been detrimental to your intellectual health.

EDIT: I changed the wording in fairness to Lancer... he isn't wrong per se... just not proven true.

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	22-05-2003 20:36									#9
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Good Ol' lancer! Anyway: the Occupying powers have a ncie 12 motnhs before the UNSC gets to discussing Iraq again. Lets hope they are used wisely.

of course once they get to discussing iraq again, they have to PASS something, or this resolution remains in force. We now have precedent for western powers using vetoes against each other

	22-05-2003 20:40									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Sava Now we must find some other excuse to hate them!

Actually, I suspect you are wrong. Now that Bush's and Cheney's boys are allowed to start feeding at the trough, there's no official reason left to hate the French. I'm guessing a period of silence where the words "France" and "French" are never mentioned followed by a gradual return the pre-war relationship. To save face, Chirac will also have to tone down the rhetoric.

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As Lancer proves; the anti-France rhetoric has made a lasting effect on the minds of the sheepish Americans. It won't go away. So I think somebody will have to come up with another reason to justify the hatred.

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It's good to see Chirac has finally given in and accepted reality. Still, he is the main person to blame for all of the discord.

	22-05-2003 21:05									#13
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And America has what right to Iraq's oil again?...

	22-05-2003 21:12									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Clear Skies And America has what right to Iraq's oil again?...

Let's see...The resolution clearly states that the revenue shall be used exclusively for the Iraqi people and Nation. That must mean that your post was:

STUPID

	22-05-2003 21:19									#15
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"Let's see...The resolution clearly states that the revenue shall be used exclusively for the Iraqi people and Nation"

For rebuilding Iraq. As I have been saying, that money must come from the US pocket.

As for cooperation, it is more like a case of compliance with the US, for fear of economic consequences. Nonetheless, the US now has a free hand to see the glut of Saddams stockpiled oil sold, reducing global oil prices, so US companies can negotiate contracts at much lower prices to them.

This resolution does nothing to justify or legitimise the war, and as for the presence of foreigners of Iraqi soil, well, lets leave the Iraqis to legitimise that. Would appear that the opposite has been happening lately. I honestly think the Americans expected the Iraqis to welcome them, which did happen initially, but would seem that this is not the case now....

when will people learn?

	22-05-2003 22:12									#16
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quote: Still, he [Jacques Chirac] is the main person to blame for all of the discord.

. . .

	22-05-2003 22:16									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Clear Skies And America has what right to Iraq's oil again?...

The only thing which would have made this post better would have been having you chant "no blood for oil"!

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I'm not in the mood to celebrate. We are doing such a suck job over there right now that I don't see how this will help. There is no sufficient govt services over there still. People are already getting fed up.

	22-05-2003 22:25									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Tuomerehu . . .

Tuomerehu: If one country percieves that it is its vital national interest to remove a third world dictator with a past history of militant expansionism then it is foolhardy to just keep putting up diplomatic road blocks and acting advisarial. After all the country feels it is vital that they do this; even if you disagree that about it being vital in the end the country is still going do their best to accomplish their goal. Picking a fight and grand standing will not stop them (remember they really, truly, deeply feel it is vitally important) and will only antagonize people needlessly.

It's clear that Chirac picked this fight in order to, once again, revive his failing political carreer and to keep people from looking at the corruption in his own administration. Remeber how only something like 40% of French voters liked Chirac due to the never ending stream of corruption scandals? Geee, all of that attention went away as soon as he started beatting the flames of anti-Americanism.

Face facts. Chirac made the rift just so he could survive politically.

	22-05-2003 22:29									#20
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Ah, the Europeans fold again. How very unfortunate. Do they have no backbone?

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Own goal.

	22-05-2003 22:41									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin It's clear that Chirac picked this fight in order to, once again, revive his failing political carreer and to keep people from looking at the corruption in his own administration. Remeber how only something like 40% of French voters liked Chirac due to the never ending stream of corruption scandals? Geee, all of that attention went away as soon as he started beatting the flames of anti-Americanism. Face facts. Chirac made the rift just so he could survive politically.

What is clear is that Chirac would not have even though of starting the controversy if a surprisingly strong support had not show up internally and externally. Like it or not Chirac had an almost inexistent role in the birth of the pseudo fight; he was too busy keeping a low profile after his 82%. I am their cheif, therefore I follow them.

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Low profile?! Are you on crack? He sent his attack dogs following Powell around the global trying to whip people into an anti-American frenzy. He knew this crisis was his ticket out of the doghouse and he was right. 82% of Frenchmen are happy with him now instead of the minority prior to the crisis.

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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Tuomerehu: If one country percieves that it is its vital national interest to remove a third world dictator with a past history of militant expansionism then it is foolhardy to just keep putting up diplomatic road blocks and acting advisarial.

Law of the jungle, eh?

quote: After all the country feels it is vital that they do this; even if you disagree that about it being vital in the end the country is still going do their best to accomplish their goal.

So what, it is vital to the Chinese that Taiwan cease to be an independent state. But that doesn't give them the right to invade it.

quote: Picking a fight and grand standing will not stop them (remember they really, truly, deeply feel it is vitally important) and will only antagonize people needlessly.

I'll remind myself of this next time some other militaristic aggressor invades a sovereign nation.

quote: It's clear that Chirac picked this fight in order to, once again, revive his failing political carreer and to keep people from looking at the corruption in his own administration.

And Bush didn't fo it for money and votes. Come on. They even said that they were doing it for votes.

It doesn't matter anyway, Chirac was on the side of right and you are just wrong. The given reasons for invading Iraq have not panned out and it's obvious that the real reasons were typically venal.

quote: Remeber how only something like 40% of French voters liked Chirac due to the never ending stream of corruption scandals? Geee, all of that attention went away as soon as he started beatting the flames of anti-Americanism.

Remember what a lame duck president Bush would have been if it weren't for 911? Now who's got the interest in starting wars.

As for the flames of anti-Americanism. Well I'm pleased to say that the rest of the world now knows who the biggest international menace is.

	22-05-2003 22:59									#25
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quote: Well I'm pleased to say that the rest of the world now knows who the biggest international menace is.

Al-Qaeda and similar organizations?

	22-05-2003 23:00									#26
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark .... We now have precedent for western powers using vetoes against each other

Don't be too proud - the US has used the veto many times in the past on the UNSC.

	22-05-2003 23:02									#27
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc quote: Well I'm pleased to say that the rest of the world now knows who the biggest international menace is. Al-Qaeda and similar organizations?

I doubt it. I don't see AQ basically threatening to use nuclear weapons.

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America is an evil, evil place Agathon. Never forget it is far better to live in crappy Arab dictatorship.

	22-05-2003 23:04									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon I doubt it. I don't see AQ basically threatening to use nuclear weapons.

So you mean Russia then. I've always been suspicous of them since they renounced thier no first use policy.

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I love how the lefties go bonkers when the administration wants to lift the ban on nuclear research. Just watch as the chicken littles begin screaming that the sky is falling.