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First off, I would like to note that the "log" you see below is COMPLETELY FICTIONAL AND NOT REAL .

It is a "simulated" chat between the nations of GCA/Apolyton/CFC regarding the "threat" of CDG. It is only a rough draft and needs to probably be edited and modified. But there is a method to my madness.

The Plan

Basically, once we finish this copy, someone would create a fake account at CDG's website, using a crap email address as well. Once that is created, this message would be sent to Kentonio from our now "anonymous savior".

If this logs appears authentic enough, they will CRAP THEIR PANTS. And hopefully, this will cause them to reconsider their stance with CDG. Granted, this plan has HUGE RISKS, but it is just another idea to throw around.

The log so far:
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Members present at this chat were from Apolyton, GCA and CFC.

Session Start: Sat May 24 10:46:3 2003
Session Ident: #c3dgmeeting
[10:46] * Now talking in #c3dgmeeting
[10:46] [USC_Lucky] yeah, we're still waiting for everyone to come in
[10:46] [Togas] okay, I'll be idle for a few moments
[10:46] [WhiteBandit] so what's this about, have you guys gotten fusion yet or something?
[10:46] [USC_Lucky]
[10:47] [WhiteBandit] haha, great...
[10:48] * Octavian_X has joined #c3dgmeeting
[10:48] [Octavian_X] hey there
[10:48] [USC_Lucky] hey
[10:48] [WhiteBandit] whoa, hey there octavian
[10:48] [Octavian_X] what's up WB
[10:48] [WhiteBandit] not much, evidentially GCA has aquired fusion.
[10:48] [USC_Lucky]
[10:49] * Trip|Gone is now known as Trip-
[10:49] [Trip-] we still have our ICBM from a goody hut
[10:49] [WhiteBandit] haha
[10:49] [FortyJ] haha
[10:49] [Cheetah] maybe you can use it on CDG's warrior blocking that isthmus?
[10:50] * BigFree has joined #c3dgmeeting
[10:50] [Trip-] it looks like they are going to settle a permanent city there.
[10:50] [WhiteBandit] hey there BF
[10:50] [BigFree] hey guys!
[10:50] * WhiteBandit sets mode: +oo Octavian_X BigFree
[10:50] [Trip-] hey bf
[10:50] [FortyJ] why on earth would anyone settle a city there?
[10:50] [Octavian_X] thanks
[10:50] [BigFree] thanks WB
[10:51] [WhiteBandit] maybe they want to charge a toll to let people through?
[10:51] [USC_Lucky] well since everyone is here, I guess we can go ahead and begin
[10:51] [Octavian_X] WB: I don't think they are going to make much money
[10:51] [FortyJ] sounds good lucky.
[10:51] [USC_Lucky] as most of you are all aware, I called this meeting between our nations to discuss some various issues about CDG.
[10:51] [USC_Lucky] Apolyton established an embassy in their capital recently and discovered that their tax rate was set to 100%. Initially we weren't concerned about it.
[10:51] [Cheetah] they must realize the toll city won't work so they are using the taxes to offset it
[10:52] [Trip-] LoL
[10:52] [WhiteBandit] haha
[10:52] [USC_Lucky]
[10:52] [USC_Lucky] well, we believe that CDG represents a large threat to stability in the region. they have a UU that is deadly in the ancient age and poses a great threat to the existence of both GCA and Apolyton.
[10:52] [Togas] well, they are a threat to certain civilizations what are you proposing though?
[10:52] [USC_Lucky] perhaps nuetralizing this threat...
[10:52] [Togas] I see.
[10:52] [Octavian_X] where does CFC fit into this though?
[10:53] [USC_Lucky] possibly open up a third front, maybe at this isthmus that you guys speak of.
[10:53] [Togas] Lucky, what do we gain from this by joining you?
[10:53] [USC_Lucky] surely you guys feel threatened by their presence and the fact that they can produce immortals?
[10:53] [Togas] to be honest, not really. our numedian mercenaries are the best defensive unit in the ancient age. we have plenty of them and it would literally be suicide for them to attack us.
[10:54] [Trip-] yes, we're prepared for any eventuality
[10:54] [Octavian_X]
[10:54] [USC_Lucky] we feel that if CDG will strike us soon, as we are the closest neighbors they have and have very good land. based on what apolyton has told us, CDG is in a rather cramped position.
[10:54] [USC_Lucky] that is why I feel that we should strike first
[10:54] [FortyJ] do you have a timeline of when you wish to mobilize?
[10:55] [USC_Lucky] in about 20 turns.
[10:55] [WhiteBandit]
[10:55] [Trip-] impressive
[10:55] [FortyJ] wow, that isn't too far away
[10:55] [Togas] what does Apolyton and even CFC gain by helping you?
[10:56] [USC_Lucky] you remove a relatively unstable neighbor and have the whole northern half of the continent to expand into. the isthmus will also open up as well, surely that is a benefit.
[10:56] [Togas] I'm almost positive that the people of Apolyton won't go for this plan
[10:56] [USC_Lucky] well, we can go at this alone, we don't really need extra help, but it would be nice.
[10:56] [FortyJ] as much as we dislike CDG, we'll have to discuss this amongst ourselves. what your are asking is not a small issue at all.
[10:56] [USC_Lucky] we understand.
Session Close: Sat May 23 10:56:54 2003

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As Vondrack pointed out in the chat:

[11:54:27] [vondrack] FROM THE PLEDGE WE TOOK:
[11:54:28] [vondrack] We will not attempt to enter or view any private forums. We will not fabricate e-mails or other forms of messaging or falsify our identities in any fashion.

This idea shall now die.

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Just wanted to say that the "fabricated" chatlog is amusing...

But I do believe we would quite blatantly breach the pledge we took...

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WB, while we can't send along a fabricated chat such as this, there's nothing that prevents us from passing along our "feelings" that these things will take place.

I don't think that CDG will believe us however. Plus they may turn around and use the "real" message of what we "feel" to GCA, thus creating some conflict with us over the notion since GCA will say that there's no reason for Apolyton to feel that way.

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awwwwww....

that was quite simply the most brilliant piece of Bismarkian diplomacy I have yet seen in this game...

shame, shame

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Just because the Idea is dead, doesn't mean that we can't have a little fun with this. A good peice of fiction wouldn't hurt, if we keep it all between us. Everyone can add a little bit to it, to help "complete" the chat...

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Just because the Idea is dead, doesn't mean that we can't have a little fun with this. A good peice of fiction wouldn't hurt, if we keep it all between us. Everyone can add a little bit to it, to help "complete" the chat...

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hi ,

, send panag in , they shall not know what to do next , ....

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ROTFLMAO!!!

panag as 'poly's ambassador.

hi ,

"Why didn't you pick America?"

have a nice day



Just in case, the next AU game is probably going to be Total War.

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ROTFLMAO!!!

panag as 'poly's ambassador.

hi ,

"Why didn't you pick America?"

have a nice day



Just in case, the next AU game is probably going to be Total War.


hi ,

well we would have been a bit further with those traits , ....

no , we should use a minister of "desinformation" or so , .... play a bit with some feet and put them on the wrong track , .....

it really does not matter who it is , .....

have a nice day

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Just in case, the next AU game is probably going to be Total War.


I'm calibrating my arches and sharpening my swords already...


panag as poly's ambassador to CDG:

hi

... why you send settler to chokepoint?

we were going to do that first

have a nice day

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I'm calibrating my arches and sharpening my swords already...


panag as poly's ambassador to CDG:

hi

... why you send settler to chokepoint?

we were going to do that first

have a nice day


hi ,

no my dear i would have a more intresting conversation then that , ....

at least i would be able to bring back facts , ....

have a nice day

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This is really magnificent. The right side of my brain is sayin that we should use this kind of diplomact, the left one is saying , it's still quite risky and if they don't believe us but CGA, we have very damaged diplomacy because they will think twice before they believe something of us.
This strategy can give us a lot of opportunities, but also heavy disadvantages.
Keep also in mind that if CDG thinks the chatlog is fake, they will, if they are not too stupid, start thinking WHY we want them to go to war with CGA. Then out magnificent plan to remove both CDG and CGA from the planet can lead to a disaster of which I doubt we are strong enough to survive it.

The solution to these problems is that we could start with making them anxious towards CGA first by having chats with them in which we say that we have the idea that CGA is preparing an attack on some nation.
One day later we ay that we think CGA is going to attack them.
We contine to talk to them in such way and after a few chats in which we have made them very supicious towards CGA, we send them a chatlog like this. Then the chance of sucess will be a lot bigger then when we simply send them a chat like this.

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Aidun, as pointed out right after the faked chatlog, using it is not really an option. As a "fabricated communication", it is expressly prohibited in this game - we took a pledge that clearly stated we would never use anything like that ("...We will not fabricate e-mails or other forms of messaging or falsify our identities in any fashion.")

BTW, if you clear your PMbox, I will finally be able to respond to your PM.

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Aidun, as pointed out right after the faked chatlog, using it is not really an option. As a "fabricated communication", it is expressly prohibited in this game - we took a pledge that clearly stated we would never use anything like that ("...We will not fabricate e-mails or other forms of messaging or falsify our identities in any fashion.")

BTW, if you clear your PMbox, I will finally be able to respond to your PM.


BTW, is this a UN-established rule or is it something we made up ourselves? Honestly I don't consider it cheating, just being really really slick

If it is not a UN-sanctioned act, how do we know other teams might not use it against us? Frankly to me the definition of "cheating" refers only to using the game's technical aspects in your favor (i.e. the bugs or exploring the map on your own...)

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This pledge was taken at the UN.

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Too bad, it's such a nice strategy!

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This pledge was taken at the UN.


I'm sure Togas can find a loophole somewhere in it...

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While it's a fun log, I could never condone such an action.

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While it's a fun log, I could never condone such an action.


I could.


but since it's against the rules of the UN the point is moot...

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While it's a fun log, I could never condone such an action.


I was prepared for just such an eventuality. If this was approved, the second draft would of had you throwing in a few references about your 9.8

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I was prepared for just such an eventuality. If this was approved, the second draft would of had you throwing in a few references about your 9.8


what, and no arguments with Togas? They'd know it was a fake!!

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hi ,

the smilies should be removed or a note should go with it to say they where added later , ....

have a nice day

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hi ,

the smilies should be removed or a note should go with it to say they where added later , ....

have a nice day


Well not really. I tried to simulate a normal chat as much as possible, and if you read the actual real chat logs with GCA and CDG in the correspondance thread, you'll notice there are plenty of smilies thrown all over the place. So I added them thinking it would bring more of an authentic atmosphere to this log.

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hi ,

the smilies should be removed or a note should go with it to say they where added later , ....

have a nice day


all irc chat logs have smilies once you quote them in a forum, most of the time just but some people even have the tendency to write things like :evil : when chatting. As far as the technical aspects go, the log is very believable.

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Well not really. I tried to simulate a normal chat as much as possible, and if you read the actual real chat logs with GCA and CDG in the correspondance thread, you'll notice there are plenty of smilies thrown all over the place. So I added them thinking it would bring more of an authentic atmosphere to this log.


hi ,

, still it seems a bit to much , .... let them discover a thing or two , ...

that will add to the "realism" , ...

have a nice day

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hi ,

, still it seems a bit to much , .... let them discover a thing or two , ...

that will add to the "realism" , ...

have a nice day


what WOULDN'T be real is if there weren't any smilies. If you would join us one day in a team-to-team chat, you'd realize it

as I said, the log is remarkably accurate as to what really goes on.

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what WOULDN'T be real is if there weren't any smilies. If you would join us one day in a team-to-team chat, you'd realize it

as I said, the log is remarkably accurate as to what really goes on.


where does it say no smilies , .....where ?

if you would read before posting you would have noticed it , .....

and before you post "join chat" , wake up and check before you post that , thit aint the first time this is told to you , ....


some of the smilies are a bit over it , let them find some expressions by themselfs , ... we put it a bit to thick on it , .....

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panag, just look for yourself before making arguments out of nothing:

http://www.apolyton.net/forums/show...405#post1961405

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panag, just look for yourself before making arguments out of nothing:

http://www.apolyton.net/forums/show...405#post1961405



we are talking about what , ....????

about this thread , what i posted above , and what you think i posted above , ....

so , gime a break

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where does it say no smilies , .....where ?

if you would read before posting you would have noticed it , .....

and before you post "join chat" , wake up and check before you post that , thit aint the first time this is told to you , ....


some of the smilies are a bit over it , let them find some expressions by themselfs , ... we put it a bit to thick on it , .....


Heh. Well you actually said it in this comment, a few posts above:


quote:
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hi ,

the smilies should be removed or a note should go with it to say they where added later , ....

have a nice day

(I added the bold emphasis)

I would take that to mean that you think there should be no smilies. Maybe I'm just an idiot though.

quote:
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we are talking about what , ....????

about this thread , what i posted above , and what you think i posted above , ....

so , gime a break

Lastly: If you actually followed the link that MasterZen posted instead of spamming this thread with bullcrap, it is the log of a real life chat that was actually conducted. Please notice that the chat uses more smilies than I even use.

However, as I've conducted many a chat and I also looked through the chat logs, there are plenty of smilies in every single chat log. I fail to see how taking out the smilies would do anything for this.

Plus. This idea died a long time ago, so this whole debate is a moot point.

 
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