25-05-2003 03:10									#1
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Commanders
Marshal: Oleg Sorokin (HTower)
Murmansk Front: Anzakoyov (The Anzac)
Baltic Front: Kolja Henrikov (Henrik)
North-West Front: PinkyGenovitch (PinkyGen)
Belorussian Front: Pavlov Zangalis (Colwyn)
1st Ukrainian Front: Xenozodskyovitchkov (Xenozod)
2nd Ukranian Front: Patiskov Figiskovsky (FiGu)

Fronts Defined
Murmansk Front
Streches from Viipuri to Murmansk and includes convoy duty from the U.K. to Murmansk

Baltic Front
Defends Novgorod, Luga, Leningrad, Pskov, Tallinn, Riga

North-West Front
Defends Daugavpils, Vilnius, and Kholm

Belorussian Front
Defends Lodz, Warsaw, Bialystok, Brest-Litovsk, Poznan, Berlin, Potsdam

1st Ukrainian Front
Defends Kharkov, Belgorod, Kursk, Gomel, Bryansk, Poltava, Kiev, Lvov, Krakow, Lublin.

2nd Ukranian Front
Defends Perekop, Kerch, Sevestopol, Rostov, Kotelnikov, Stalingrad, Voroshilovgrad, Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk and Galati.

STAVKA Is the Council of Front Commanders chaired by the Marshal and discusses matters of Grand Strategy involving matters concerning more than one front, reinforcement priorities and offensives.

Last edited by H Tower on 05-08-2003 at 01:15

	27-05-2003 02:43									#2
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I'm not on Stavka, but I suggest we start discusing our strategy for next winter. If we know what we want to do, we can put all assets in position in time, and hit the Germans on every front and push them back. I ask comrade Marshal to correct me, or add things, but I think we best do this by placing objectives for every front, and discussing how we will do things.

For example: Attacking Galati, from Sevastopel. What will this need, when could we do it, what needs to be done first, what does it give to us, what to do when we take the city, etc We should discuss these things well in advance, so we won't encounter surprises when we actually do it !!

	27-05-2003 03:55									#3
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Of more importance is an issue we've been neglecting for a while, the distribution of the Red AirForce.

20 La-5's
Murmansk: 5 25%
Baltic: 1 5%
NorthWest: 1 5%
Belorussian: 1 5%
1st Ukranian: 2 10%
2nd Ukranian: 10 50%
In production: 1


3 Pe-2's
Belorussian: 3 100%
In production 2


Now I'm ordering an La-5 north from Stalingrad this turn to help out the 1st Ukranian Front, and another will go north next turn. Comrade Naldayev, do you think you can spare one of your new planes to the joint command area of Bryansk and Orel? Comrade Yopov, do you think you can spare one of your La-5's to the Baltic Front? I realize I've called upon you to sacrifice much recently, I'll even cancel that Mech Inf transfer I asked you about earlier.

That's a short term fix for some of the fronts, I may even transfer a 3rd La-5 northward in the future, but right now we don't have enough planes to go around. Comrade Anzyakov has begun construction of an airbase at Kalinin, to construct his own airforce, however this is going to be a long term project unless we rush the airbase and the planes, a significant investment to be sure. (360K rubles to rush the airport this turn) Moscow however offers us a much cheaper way of creating an airforce for the Belorussian and NorthWest Fronts. We can produce one La-5 per turn there at no rushbuild cost for the indefinite future. If we want to produce IL-2 Shturmokivs we'll have to rush 75K rubles worth each turn to get the first 2 IL-2's, after that it will have to be 100K worth of rubles because of growing unit support from the city, unless we rehome some of Moscow's units to other cities. Of course the German War Machine may solve our unit support problem for us. To build more Pe-2's in Moscow, we need to rush the first 100K worth of rubles to get the first 2 units, after that it will be 125K rubles per turn. In comparison, Kalinin will need 2 turns to build an La-5 without rushbuying, and 3 turns each to build an IL-2 or Pe-2 without rushing. Gorkiy needs 2 turns to build an La-5 or IL-2, and 3 turns to build a Pe-2, and Gorkiy already has an airport to produce veteran air units. Gorkiy's citizens can also be reorganized so that all air units can be produced in just 2 turns without rushing if we so desire.

La-5 (No Rush)
Moscow 1 turn
Kalinin 2 Turns
Gorkiy 2 Turns

La-5 Rush
Moscow 0 rubles
Kalinin 75K rubles becomes 100K rubles after 3 units
Gorkiy 75K rubles becomes 100K rubles after 8 units (current setup)
Gorkiy 50K rubles becomes 75K rubles after 1 unit (AI setup)
Gorkiy 0 rubles becomes 50K rubles after 1 unit (max industry)

IL-2 (no rush)
Moscow 2 turns
Kalinin 3 turns
Gorkiy 2 turns (current)
Gorkiy 2 turns (AI setup)
Gorkiy 2 turns (max industry)

IL-2 (rush)
Moscow 75K rubles becomes 100K rubles after 2 units
Kalinin 10K rubles becomes 220K rubles after 3 units
Gorkiy 150K rubles (current)
Gorkiy 125K rubles becomes 150K after 1 unit (AI setup)
Gorkiy 100K rubles becomes 125K after 1 unit (max industry)


Current Airforce Production
Pe-2 in Groznyy 4 more turns if no rush (34 out of 100 shields produced) 138K rubles to rush (2nd Ukranian Front)
Pe-2 in U.K. (0 out of 100 shields produced)
La-5 in Kaluga Done next turn with no rushing (30 out of 60 shields produced)

Wow this was a long post

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	27-05-2003 05:13									#4
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OK, Kalinin wqas a long-term project and I don't see its completion soon. I could also start building an airport at Vologda which, when we start producing many units, can help get them via airlifting to the northern/far-northern sectors of the front, as well as act as another plane manufacturing city. Should I go and build it? It could pay off for us to build one there for the future.

	27-05-2003 07:47									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Bossy20000 For example: Attacking Galati, from Sevastopel. What will this need, when could we do it, what needs to be done first, what does it give to us, what to do when we take the city, etc We should discuss these things well in advance, so we won't encounter surprises when we actually do it !!

The Balkans are kind of lightly defended - I recommend the leap across to Galati and then Ploesti. Ploesti gives us another big trade city

Also, what about knocking out Finland? They're a bit tougher, I found, to eliminate, especially Helsinki with the coastal fortress. At some point, the Germans start to garrison their cities with 88's, and those are hard to kill with even a Katyusha. Il-2s have little chance against an 88, so we ought to grab some territory before the Germans build up their defences.

	27-05-2003 08:57									#6
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I agree, but we should not move before we are ready. A hasty attack could result in a Finnish victory on the Kola. None of us should aspire to this.

	27-05-2003 09:10									#7
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Even if we don't strike at Galati from the Sea, we have plenty of naval infantry that can strike at random German units caught near the cost all the way from Rostov to Galati. German and Romanian Infantry use that coastal road to move forward in stacks, there's no reason why a freighter or two filled with naval infantry can't knock off the stacks or single units caught in the open.

As for the possible airport in Vologda, the airport in Archangelsk is nearing completion and should help supply the northern fronts, although it is 4 spots farther away from Leningrad by road

	27-05-2003 14:10									#8
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We could use Archangelsk for fighter production, and have Vologda build defensive ground units. In the summer, a distance of four isn't such a big problem, since we haven the roads open again! We need the fighters as soon as possible, they are the only fast anti-aircraft units we have, AA batteries will be sitting ducks on the roads to our frontcities. Comrade Marshal, I would have Moscow produce LA-5's until we can get some from other cities.

As for the attack on Galati, it gives us some more trade and takes this money away from the gErmans, plus we can reinforce it very easily every turn (a freighter can croos the Black sea to Galati in one turn). It's most of the time very light guarded (some fighters, or just one infantry or such) and we have then the possibility to attack Bucharest, which gives us all the oilfields and I think also triggers some events (I should check this).

	27-05-2003 17:42									#9
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I agree, im ready to send some troops to attack Galati.
(I had in real planned a raid on Kherson, but i can put thoose troops on Galati too)

	27-05-2003 18:30									#10
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Isn't it too late though right now? Summer is going to begin soon and the German aircraft are powerful again, I bet they would just love to sink a transport ful of naval infantry! I think we need to wait until next winter.

	27-05-2003 18:31									#11
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quote: Originally posted by H Tower Isn't it too late though right now? Summer is going to begin soon and the German aircraft are powerful again, I bet they would just love to sink a transport ful of naval infantry! I think we need to wait until next winter.

Roger! I will have them ready for the next Winter.

	27-05-2003 18:34									#12
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quote: Originally posted by H Tower Isn't it too late though right now? Summer is going to begin soon and the German aircraft are powerful again, I bet they would just love to sink a transport ful of naval infantry! I think we need to wait until next winter.

If we have the Convoy System wonder, we can move from Sevastopol to Galati in one turn.

I have often used Cruisers to good effect attacking German units massed on the N coast of the Black Sea. Naval Infantry would work, though not as well... and watch out for the U-boats!

	27-05-2003 19:34									#13
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This will probably only work in winter, when the german airforce is uneffectif. We should prepare everything to launch the offensive immediately when the next winter starts.

	27-05-2003 19:38									#14
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And we should have the Convoy Wonder by next winter, I'm going to switch Sverlosk to that this turn.

	27-05-2003 20:21									#15
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Let Moskou and Gorkij and perhaps Stalingrad build Sturmovichs.

	27-05-2003 22:34									#16
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Yeah don't neglect the Sturmovichs! They will be seriously useful in thining out the huge stacks of Germans coming at us this summer!

	27-05-2003 23:47									#17
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They are indeed very useful against tanks and infantry, but not against fighters! We could take out tens og units of the Germans, and still loose a city due to aerial attacks! We should first build some LA-5's for the defense of our cities, and then we can start production of offensive weapons. By Lenin, we must kill all the Nazi's, but we can't neglect the protection of our civilians! If our citizens and cities are save, we will build an armada of airplanes to block the sun, waves of panzers to crush the Germans and hundreds of Katyushka's to blast them into oblivion!!!!

	28-05-2003 00:19									#18
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Any yall know the timetables for event created Stuka replacements?

	28-05-2003 16:16									#19
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yes, I can move one la-5 to Orel or Bryansk, a veteran surtomovik for Vorozneh is more than welcome

	28-05-2003 23:02									#20
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Did we reach a concensus on where to build Sturmoviks?

I need to know to get this turn played.

Yop came the closest to an idea here, and Shaka wanted one in Moscow is the Econ Ministers thread.

Thoughts?

	29-05-2003 20:26									#21
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Does someone know in which month the pontoon bridge is created? We might want to send a cruiser or destroyer up the Don, before the river is blocked. We could use the ship to attack all infantry units at the riverside, plus use it when we want to destroy the pontoon bridge. I do this most of the time, they are quite effectif against infantry, and it frees our tanks to attack his panzers.

	29-05-2003 20:29									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Bossy20000 Does someone know in which month the pontoon bridge is created? We might want to send a cruiser or destroyer up the Don, before the river is blocked. We could use the ship to attack all infantry units at the riverside, plus use it when we want to destroy the pontoon bridge. I do this most of the time, they are quite effectif against infantry, and it frees our tanks to attack his panzers.

I believe it appears the German turn of May '42!

	29-05-2003 21:10									#23
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Don't we need to boost up the defense-forces in Kotelnikovo and Stalingrad? If the Germans take Kotelnikovo, they can launch attacks at Grozny, Maikop and the rest of the Caucasus!

	29-05-2003 22:07									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Bossy20000 Don't we need to boost up the defense-forces in Kotelnikovo and Stalingrad? If the Germans take Kotelnikovo, they can launch attacks at Grozny, Maikop and the rest of the Caucasus!

Yes, but there's a City in the way that does that they are unable to take Kotelnikovo, Rostov.

	29-05-2003 22:16									#25
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quote: Originally posted by FiGu Yes, but there's a City in the way that does that they are unable to take Kotelnikovo, Rostov.

That Pontoon Bridge leaves Kotelnikovo wide open...........

	29-05-2003 22:31									#26
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In my limited experience, the German did not attack Kotelnikovo while we still held Rostov.

But if we lose Rostov, comrades, bad things will happen.

	29-05-2003 22:34									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Six Thousand Year Old Man In my limited experience, the German did not attack Kotelnikovo while we still held Rostov. But if we lose Rostov, comrades, bad things will happen.

I have had the Germans take Kotelnikovo while I still had Rostov but it worked out great because they took it and then I counterattacked and destroyed the city. That way I didn't have to worry about it again!

	29-05-2003 22:56									#28
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Well, with the current situation, we better hope the city gets destroyed, because the garrison is ... well, almost non-existent. I don't blame the front commander, there were other priorities, but now we are having a bit of a problem situation, because Stalingrad hasn't got a very big garrison either. We must stop the Germans there at all cost, because if we lose the Caucasus and the oilfields, our economy collapses!

	29-05-2003 22:59									#29
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quote: That Pontoon Bridge leaves Kotelnikovo wide open...........

Hah, if they take Kotelnikovo will 5 Kv-1 come from Rostov and kick them out of there!

quote: quote: In my limited experience, the German did not attack Kotelnikovo while we still held Rostov. But if we lose Rostov, comrades, bad things will happen. I have had the Germans take Kotelnikovo while I still had Rostov but it worked out great because they took it and then I counterattacked and destroyed the city. That way I didn't have to worry about it again!

They can't take Rostov anymore. its too heavily defended.(5 kv-1's and lots of other units are defending it)

	29-05-2003 23:01									#30
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quote: Well, with the current situation, we better hope the city gets destroyed, because the garrison is ... well, almost non-existent. I don't blame the front commander, there were other priorities, but now we are having a bit of a problem situation, because Stalingrad hasn't got a very big garrison either. We must stop the Germans there at all cost, because if we lose the Caucasus and the oilfields, our economy collapses!

Hmm... maybe you're right.. i'll move some reinforcements there on my turn...