29-05-2003 23:14									#31
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Those 5 KV-1's are not enough.
The defences must be boosted and every turn there should be at least 2 KV-1 's and/or AA's to hold the city.

	29-05-2003 23:24									#32
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destroy the pontoon bridge asap,
how many katyushas do you have at Rostov and Staligrad??

I don´t want to see the fascists pigs walking around the caucasus

	29-05-2003 23:24									#33
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Yes but before we go moving defenses all over what is more important, holding Kotelnikovo or making sure Rostov and Stalingrad hold?

The choices are difficult but if we spread defenses too thin then they ALL will fall.

And Summer of '42 is going to be a meat grinder for this front.

	29-05-2003 23:26									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Shaka Naldur destroy the pontoon bridge asap,

Is that possible, I dont know because the last time I tried it with some units I failed miserably. Doesn't this Bridge have a ridiculously high defense?

Who knows this one?

	29-05-2003 23:35									#35
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yes but I was able to kill it once, it took a lot of units, but it is worth the effort, somebody more experienced than me who knows how many units will it take...

	29-05-2003 23:54									#36
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Apparently partisan units have a huge bonus at attacking movement=0 units, the problem would be getting enough of them down there.

	30-05-2003 00:50									#37
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too bad you didn't plan this ahead of time, but you could have built a minefield right in front of the bridge and that would bottle up the Germans trying to cross.

But for now, can't we just leave the bridge and kill the units as they leave it?

	30-05-2003 01:05									#38
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I have only one Katyusha in Rostov.

quote: too bad you didn't plan this ahead of time, but you could have built a minefield right in front of the bridge and that would bottle up the Germans trying to cross. But for now, can't we just leave the bridge and kill the units as they leave it?

Remember.. i have just beginned to play on this front(i joined on the march 1942 turn)

	30-05-2003 01:11									#39
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a lot of units are created every turn via event

the pontoon bridge is created at an old sea square

	30-05-2003 01:15									#40
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I took out the bridge last time, but it took more then 15 units!!!!! It was worth it, because it cost him 40 units, and I could take out all units coming there! But I don't think we have the number of Kathyushka's and artillery needed to do this! We should decide wether or not we try to keep Kotelnikovo. We can't take too many of Rostov's units, because we will need them to hold the city. We could scrape some of the lighter units (red armies etc) and sell the anti-tankdefense in Kotelnikovo, so that the city is destroyed when he tries to take it. Problem is that even Stalingrad hasn't got a big garrison, so we have little options left.

PS I did mention the pontoon bridge a while ago, but I forgot it afterwards -. My mistake for not following this up

	30-05-2003 01:18									#41
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We can't even attack the pontoon bridge with destroyers or cruisers, if we don't get them up the river this turn, because they get river mines at the side of the sea!

	30-05-2003 01:22									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Bossy20000 sell the anti-tankdefense in Kotelnikovo, so that the city is destroyed when he tries to take it

This we can not do comrade. That was determined to be cheating by the group when they started the Demo game.

Taking advantage of natural destruction is OK but deliberate destruction is a no no.

	30-05-2003 01:37									#43
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I thought we could sell what we builded, I thought we only couldn't sell what was already there. I think there wasn't a antitank defense in Kotelnikovo, so we built it and therefor can destroy it.

I thought this wasn't cheating, if it is, I apologize!

	30-05-2003 01:44									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Bossy20000 I thought we could sell what we builded, I thought we only couldn't sell what was already there. I think there wasn't a antitank defense in Kotelnikovo, so we built it and therefor can destroy it. I thought this wasn't cheating, if it is, I apologize!

No apologizes necessary.!

Hmm not sure about that, I just have seen where we determined it was cheating to get rid of Anti Tank defenses. Because if we did that in Minsk lets say for an example and it was destroyed then the Germans couldn't spawn in there. It would make the game pretty easy.

	30-05-2003 01:48									#45
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But Minsk was already built up, WE had to construct things in Kotelnikovo, so why not destroy what WE built? I know we agreed not to destroy fortresses etc, but does this also count for fortresses etc we built during our campaign? We can change terrain to minefields and back, so why not other things we did? Erase the past?

	30-05-2003 07:03									#46
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No that is not the issue, it is irrelevant wether we built them or not, selling anti-tank defences with the intention of destroying the city is cheating. Plain and simple.

Edit: Oh, yes. And also I think that the defence of Stalingrad takes precidence over Kotelnikovo.

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	30-05-2003 07:54									#47
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I'm not sure if the German 'fortified positions' are as strong as ours are - but I managed to take out the pontoon bridge in winter 1942-3, with 2 or 3 Katyushas. So, it doesn't take a lot of units - but then again the bridge may be weaker in winter?

Nonetheless, we should not sacrifice the defense of Rostov to save Kotelnikovo.

	30-05-2003 12:56									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Six Thousand Year Old Man Nonetheless, we should not sacrifice the defense of Rostov to save Kotelnikovo.

Very well said! Whoever speaks of taking a risk with the defense of Rostov should be sent to the front to search for German mines

	30-05-2003 14:34									#49
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You need to use partizans to take out the bridge. It'll cost you about 5,6 of them.

	30-05-2003 23:09									#50
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Yes, it is imperitive that we concentrate as many partisans and cruisers on the don as is possible.

	31-05-2003 00:40									#51
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We need to kill them before they reach our cities, which means we habve to get rid of the pontoon bridge as soon as possible. Unfortunately, most of are partisans are at other fronts, and are needed there for the defense of the cities We will have to counter the attack waves during some months!

PS I thought somebody said somewhere that if the Germans take Rostov, and we retake it, they lose all their units east of the Don. Is this true (it's a rumor I picked up somewhere, I never lost Rostov, but it could help us here if they break through!!!! We let them take Rostov, and retake it the next turn, so they lose most of their units attacking our more vulnerable cities)

	31-05-2003 03:15									#52
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"letting" the germans take Rostov could also mean that they stack anywhere from 50-100 units in the city in just one turn though. It seems awfully risky

	31-05-2003 03:52									#53
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quote: Originally posted by H Tower "letting" the germans take Rostov could also mean that they stack anywhere from 50-100 units in the city in just one turn though. It seems awfully risky

Ditto!

	31-05-2003 15:58									#54
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I agree, I was only brainstorming! Plus, this was a test to check the loyalty of everybody here If you would have said yes, you would be on your way to the Gulag right now

No, serious, I know it is very risky, but if they break through, it might be our only option left! BTW, I don't know if this rumour is true, I never lost Rostov.

	31-05-2003 16:02									#55
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I will not evac/leave from Rostov unless im forced to!


I will defend the city to the bitter end!

But if that rumor is true, we could try..

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	31-05-2003 19:30									#56
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I'm not willing to let them take the city and counter-attack. We should try and hold it as long as possible.

	31-05-2003 19:33									#57
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quote: Originally posted by FiGu I will not evac/leave from Rostov unless im forced to! I will defend the city to the bitter end!

That's the true spirit, comrade! If we lose Rostov, it will certainly be your bitter end

Just kidding

	31-05-2003 20:51									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Bossy20000 That's the true spirit, comrade! If we lose Rostov, it will certainly be your bitter end Just kidding

Not if you uhm... you got "silented"(killed) before that
just kidding

	31-05-2003 21:23									#59
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I would certainly vote to oust the Marshal if the decisions of his handpicked commanders cost us Rostov! If Rostov falls, we have little else in that area to stop the Germans; losing Rostov could cost us the war.

	31-05-2003 21:33									#60
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6 Kv-1's in Rostov are ready to kill some Krauts!
You leaders of the USSR do not have to worry about losing your summer houses in Rostov.