27-05-2003 21:27									#61
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I shall play the turn within an hour or so. Any comments on my suggestions? It is especially sending Mao & Alva on barb hunting I would like to hear comments on.

quote: Originally posted by vondrack Alright, the savegame arrived at a wee inconvenient time of the day for us... I am going to wait a bit until playing the turn, though probably just 2-3 hours. Here is the situation: 1) Morris moved further westwards, outside of our cultural borders. Two tiles from the nearest target of ours now. 2) The barb in the North disappeared. 3) F3 says there are 'Harappan tribes nr Tripoli. Suggested moves: 1) N2 'Mao' to move S (2), searching for the barb camp 2) W3 'Alva' to move N-E (8-6), searching for the barb camp 3) elite W6 'Hagbart' stay fortified - covers both workers and the city. If Morris moved inside our cultural borders on the next turn (I consider it almost impossible, as he cannot see unit/s we have in Tripoli and on the adjacent hills), we would be able to engage with Hagbart (or MerZenary). 4) Worker 'Dan' to move S-S-SE (2-2-3), to clear a jungle tile that is already roaded. 5) W9 '???' to move NW (7), to use the defense bonus of the hill; looking for the barb camp there.

	27-05-2003 21:54									#62
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vondrack, could you send me the turn? I'm not very good at giving advice unless I have the game in front of me.


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	27-05-2003 23:00									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Dominae vondrack, could you send me the turn? I'm not very good at giving advice unless I have the game in front of me.

Dom, I do not seem to have you email addy.

Just look at the last turn map, please, and move Morris one tile to the left - that is the situation we are now in. Everything else is clear in the turn plan, so the movement of our units in the SE is the only thing I would like to hear comments on.

	27-05-2003 23:08									#64
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My humble suggestions:

1. Warrior fortified in Tripoli moves West, to shadow foreign Warrior for the time being. This is a psychological move, and one that works for me.

2. Merc. on Hill South of Tripoli moves South onto Hills to hunt for Barbs.

3. Elite Warrior North of Tripoli moves East to search for Barbs.


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	27-05-2003 23:27									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Dominae 1. Warrior fortified in Tripoli moves West, to shadow foreign Warrior for the time being. This is a psychological move, and one that works for me.

At this moment, Morris is sort of "blind" - cannot see anything but jungle. Moving our warrior next to him, we would be providing him with a nice target in case he goes amok. Would that be wise? It would allow CDG to take initiative, should they decide to. If we leave Morris with nothing in striking distance, he would be exposing himself to our "first blow" in case things go wrong.

And btw, purely theoretically, if our other unit moved to a 2-tile distance from Tripoli and Morris killed Alva on the next turn (theory!), Tripoli would be toast.

quote: Originally posted by Dominae 3. Elite Warrior North of Tripoli moves East to search for Barbs.

Are we sure we want to hunt barbs with our elite warrior? For jungle camps that have a relatively low defense bonus, I believe it would be wiser to send our regulars, hoping not only for cash bonuses, but for promotions, too.

Anyone else? (Dom, thanks for paying attention and for responding - I find it rather funny that with all the posting today, so little attention is being paid to the actual turn... maybe I am making too much of this simple unit movement...)

	27-05-2003 23:42									#66
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quote: Originally posted by vondrack If we leave Morris with nothing in striking distance, he would be exposing himself to our "first blow" in case things go wrong.

Let's put our "realisitc hats" on here: do you really think CDG is going to alpha-strike us across a River and onto Jungle, with no real backup whatsoever (we've been monitoring their movements pretty closely)? It's a "risk", sure, but it is so infinitesmal that it's not worth considering, IMO (I am glad other people are considering it, though!). By escorting their unit out of our lands (as defined by the border), we show strength and the ability to properly patrol and defend our lands. That's psychologically very important.

And, by the way, I'm not suggesting we escort their Warrior all the way to the border. Just this move is enough to show them that we mean business when it comes to trespassing.

quote: And btw, purely theoretically, if our other unit moved to a 2-tile distance from Tripoli and Morris killed Alva on the next turn (theory!), Tripoli would be toast.

The Elite Warrior will not venture more than 1 tile from Tripoli (see below).

quote: Are we sure we want to hunt barbs with our elite warrior?

The Elite is not hunting Barbs, it's checking two tiles of darkness for camps, then returning to "civilization". Another (non-Elite, perferably Regular) unit can return and take care of the camp. This is far more useful than leaving the Elite idle.

quote: Anyone else?

Tsk, tsk, you make it sound like you've listened to my council and rejected it outright. Not very Consul-like...



Dominae

	27-05-2003 23:58									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Dominae Let's put our "realisitc hats" on here: do you really think CDG is going to alpha-strike us across a River and onto Jungle, with no real backup whatsoever (we've been monitoring their movements pretty closely)? It's a "risk", sure, but it is so infinitesmal that it's not worth considering, IMO (I am glad other people are considering it, though!). By escorting their unit out of our lands (as defined by the border), we show strength and the ability to properly patrol and defend our lands. That's psychologically very important. And, by the way, I'm not suggesting we escort their Warrior all the way to the border. Just this move is enough to show them that we mean business when it comes to trespassing.

Agreed on the low probability. Though I believe that what we "get" from shadowing Morris is not enough to make it worth that risk, however negligible it may be...

quote: Originally posted by Dominae The Elite Warrior will not venture more than 1 tile from Tripoli (see below).

Moving Hagbart E of where he is now puts him two tiles (or two turns) from Tripoli (NE-NE or 9-9).

quote: Originally posted by Dominae Tsk, tsk, you make it sound like you've listened to my council and rejected it outright. Not very Consul-like...

Sorry, bad wording on my side maybe. I was asking for more people to speak their minds up. I still prefer the moves I proposed, but if more people say they would like to do what you suggest, I may change my mind. I am just one woeful despot, am I not?

	28-05-2003 00:11									#68
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I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

By the way, try not to underestimate the psychological effect of unit positioning. How would you feel if you were CDG? You're leaving 'Poly's territory, and they send a unit to see you on your way. For me, it would make me feel like 'Poly runs a pretty tight ship, and well-defended to boot. That will affect their decision to mess with us, which, incidentally, is the one big "unknown" at this point. Any control we can exert over them is worth it (...especially when they're clearly not going to attack us, but we've agreed to disagree on that).

Wait a second. To push this idea even further: maybe we could move the Regular Warrior due W (from the city) and the Elite one SW (from the Hill). That's safe, and really makes us look well-defended. What do you think?


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	28-05-2003 00:17									#69
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quote: Originally posted by Dominae Wait a second. To push this idea even further: maybe we could move the Regular Warrior due W (from the city) and the Elite one SW (from the Hill). That's safe, and really makes us look well-defended. What do you think?

This I would have no problem with. That's safe.

It is the unnecessary risks I try to avoid as much as possible. That "better safe than sorry" approach, ya know.

EDIT: though there IS one small downside to this - our worker would not be covered from barbs coming from the east/northeast (unlike if we moved a warrior of ours NE of the iron hill). If a barb showed up there, we would have to withdraw him to safety - but that would be a "risk" I would take. scrap that, of course he would be covered...

	28-05-2003 01:19									#70
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Sounds good to me vond. As long as our GA isn't at risk. Also I see no reason to "posture" for CDG. We are tyring to seem as friendly as possble for now I thought....

	28-05-2003 01:25									#71
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Sounds OK, vondrack.

	28-05-2003 01:32									#72
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I think the posturing would be an unknown of sorts. Assuming someone else will react to something the way you do is a very risky thing. Who's to say a shadow won't make them think we are nervous and frightened? "What, they have to watch us all the way out? Is one warrior really that scary? Why do they think our one warrior is THAT big a threat? Are they really THAT weak?"

There's more than one way to look at anything. Let's wave to the warrior as he departs and watch for him to pass the screen. If he doesn't, then we'll know we need to go looking.

	28-05-2003 01:47									#73
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Alright. After talking to Trip- (yes, it was not that other Trip ), I moved yet another, but only very slightly different way.

Mao moved S. Hunting barbs.
Alva moved E. Will be faster to reach the easternmost coast. Hunting for barbs.
Hagbart moved to Tripoli and fortified.

No shadowing.

Turn report already up.

	28-05-2003 11:44									#74
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Would have commented, but, well, you know, I sleep between 3 and 8 in the morning....


But it looked like things turned out as I would have argued for anyway. As long as our GA was not at risk, even the original escort plan would have been fine.

	28-05-2003 12:13									#75
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You sleep for 5 hours?! What the........you lazy bum! The CoC on you is long overdue. You should suffice with 1 maybe 1.5 and that's it.

	28-05-2003 16:45									#76
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quote: Originally posted by vondrack Neither. Average is the way to go - that way, we will be neither an obvious, easy-to-grab target, nor a threat to be dealt with.

hi ,


, since they shall check every turn , we could build a swordsman in each city and let it come out the turn right before the attack , ..... they wont know about that , ....

or just an nm to defend that city and move all the nm's in the cities to the front , .....

have a nice day

	28-05-2003 17:42									#77
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Good discussion, good moves.

Re iron: Boy Scout Motto. Be prepared. Build some vet Swords.

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