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Az is offline Az
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It's true.

Although I'm not very articulate right now because I haven't gotten much sleep. (Fire in my house, among other things)

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BTW if we ever have security concerns, we could always welcome some of the US army. See if they try to attack then.

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get some sleep.

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You are the stupidest person I have ever crossed paths with.




Clearly the "road map" is a stunt to help Israel's PR. The first step is making Palestine stop terrorism, which clearly it can not and will not do. Then Bush can lie through his teeth and say "Now, now, Palestine. We really expected better of you."

Nobody backing the "road map" believes it will work. They just want the Palestinians to ruin another peace plan.


hi ,

nope , that aint the problem , the problem itselfs is the people who made the roadmap , the us was laft out on most things , the EU who happens to fund the pa by the way is the main body together with russia who draw up the paper , .....

when we where in brussels talking and forming this document the eu people had a guy who did not even know where israel lay on the map , .......

one guy thought we had a border with iraq , .....

any plan is doomed if its draw up if neither of the involved parties can have something to say in it , ....

both the israeli and the pa where send home and in brussels they told us not to interfere , ....

the words to the plo ambassador where ; "go home there is nothing you are going to change about it" , .....

we left together and went for some drinks together , ....

we both know that this is going to fail one day or the other , .....

and yet , we try to make the best of it , .....

we try to live up to some-one elses expectations , ..... onesmore , .... *sigh*

this is a roadmap that ones more can lead for both sides to a complete disaster , ..... as one us state dep person mentioned , .....

have a nice day

international politics , put them in the trashcan if you ask me , .....

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BTW if we ever have security concerns, we could always welcome some of the US army. See if they try to attack then.


hi ,

they have tried several times allready to attack the us army engineers who are in Israel , ....

but each time they where stopped , ...

have a nice day

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At the risk of pointing out the obvious, if the road map is an externally imposed plan and neither Israel or the Palestinians like it then go and agree something between yourselves.

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At the risk of pointing out the obvious, if the road map is an externally imposed plan and neither Israel or the Palestinians like it then go and agree something between yourselves.


hi ,

unfortunatly the eu as the main leader of this tend to sabotage every single move we make , they just want to come out and show they world what good they have done , .....

our terms are allready known for a long time , we do every thing we can from the Israeli side , ......

yet the bombs keep going off , ......

today we pulled out of tulkarem , do you see it some where in the papers , ....????

as long as there is outside involment and as long as some nations continue to fund terrorists we shall have what we see today , ......

as long as one yasser and his pa are in control we shall see what we have today , .....

Shalom is in egypt right now , you think the world cares , .....

no they only care when they can say " see what ""good"" we are trying to do " , ......

international politics , would someone please open the threash can so we can dump it , .....

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Then, I am sorry to say that only one solution will be available.
When the Israeli's are let loose by the USA and the PA's finally understand the true meaning of terror.

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"Regards, Uncle Joe".

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From my point of view, the most critical element in achieving peace is getting a good government in Palestine, elected by the people and dedicated to ending terrorism.

I have no hope that that will ever occur, even though the Road Map calls for it.

Once the Roadmap fails, and it will, I see only two possibilites. 1) Israel annexes the whole of Palestine and makes everyone Israeli citizens other than members of terrorist groups or the current PA; or
2) turn the whole thing back over to Jordan, and negotiate with Jordan concerning RoR, etc.

Let the people of Palestine vote on these choices. 1, 2 or 3. Three, of course, is the status quo -- meaning endless occupation.

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Let the people of Palestine vote on these choices. 1, 2 or 3.


I think the people of Israel and Jordan might have a problem with 1 or 2.

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1) = civil war.
2) Jordan won't do it.
3) sucks, generally.

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By the way, I heard an excerpt of a recent Sharon speech and he actually used "occupation" - at least as it was translated by NPR... now I see headlines about him retracting that.

He almost managed to look moderate because of that. The far right seems to be screaming for his blood.

-Arrian

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OK I really did need to get some sleep.

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By the way, I heard an excerpt of a recent Sharon speech and he actually used "occupation" - at least as it was translated by NPR... now I see headlines about him retracting that.

He almost managed to look moderate because of that. The far right seems to be screaming for his blood.

-Arrian

Yea, that was an interesting turn of events. Does it mean we're gonna try the Gandhi/MLK angle now?

I still need to get some sleep, but i haven't posted an opinion so I"m ok.

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Ned, Azazel - you know what the saddest part is?

We nearly made it to Ned's second option (having Jordan take back the territories with the pals) in 1988 (or was it 89?) when Peres was in charge.

But you know what happenned? The Likkud BLEW THE WHISTLE ON IT!! They called it treason and said they were giving up holy lands.

We could have ended the conflict there and save dozens of civilians lives!!

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And after a month a violent revolution would've overthrown King Hussein and then, oh joy, we would've had a real war, not just an intifada.

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Real War. would have been much shorter, and WAY less bloody.

Siro is absolutely correct on this one.

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But then we would've occupied Judea&Samaria again, so what's the point?

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We could've always assisted Jordan.

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At the risk of pointing out the obvious, if the road map is an externally imposed plan and neither Israel or the Palestinians like it then go and agree something between yourselves.


hi ,

thats what we are now going to do , .....

us and the pa with the usa in jordan next week , ....

no eu or russia , ....

and if the way things keep going the way they are right now we shall either say to hell with this peace of paper or accept it with huge changes in the terrain , ....

now we are getting somewhere , we , the people concerned shall sit on a table and talk

have a nice day

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How can we believe Abbas when he promises to fight terrorism, when he only wants to talk to Hamas et al. and refuses to use force against them? Does anyone think that talking will convince Hamas to end their attacks against Israel?

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In his first news conference since taking office, Abbas said he would keep trying to engage militant groups in dialogue, and would not resort to force to bring them to halt their attacks on Israelis."

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satell...d=1055125434456

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Abbas doesn't have anywhere near the political capital he needs yet to be tough on terrorism. He was just brought in out of the wilderness, few Palestinians support him. Plus, the PA's security forces are a mess. Already the false outrage wears away at the peace plan.

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I just found an article about how the UN is against Israel building the security wall to protect itself from suicide bombers.

"A senior UN official on Friday urged Israel to halt construction of the wall it is building to keep suicide bombers from entering the country because of its potentially devastating impact on the Palestinian people and the peace process. "

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satell...d=1055574197696

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I just found an article about how the UN is against Israel building the security wall to protect itself from suicide bombers.

"A senior UN official on Friday urged Israel to halt construction of the wall it is building to keep suicide bombers from entering the country because of its potentially devastating impact on the Palestinian people and the peace process. "

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satell...d=1055574197696


hi ,

they cant even control a piece of no-mans land between us and syria with fences , .... the day they can do that they can talk about what we can do , .....

we asked unicef 2 years ago for support in the special childrens hospital , we are still waiting for a serious responce , .....

UN = U know Nothing

UN = U do Nothing

have a nice day

 
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