26-05-2003 09:40									#1
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I'm playing my boy in a hotseat game and when we met the ai took over the diplomacy - my civ appeared to him as an ai civ. Same on my side.

Is this normal for hotseat games?

	26-05-2003 11:14									#2
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That's my memory of Hot Seat games. When you're not in the chair, the AI is.

	26-05-2003 11:23									#3
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bizarre

	26-05-2003 12:19									#4
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Yes, I thought so at the time. It's logical, though. It's the SP version of the game. There's no provision for more than one non-AI civ.

	26-05-2003 12:55									#5
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Install a network in your house and play a MP game. Works better than hotseat games

	26-05-2003 15:16									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Install a network in your house and play a MP game. Works better than hotseat games

hey good idea

My 11 year old just started at civ again after his older brothers had convinced him that it was boring.

I could link up 2 of our computers and play him.

	26-05-2003 15:17									#7
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we may end up with a father and son comp.

	26-05-2003 15:40									#8
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father son? He attacked me straight off.

	26-05-2003 16:12									#9
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perhaps we would need the son to team up with the other father

	26-05-2003 17:22									#10
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IIRC the interaction in hotseat games is like that in PBEM games. It is a rather clumsy way to play MP IMO..........but some people make it work.

	26-05-2003 20:41									#11
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Making it "work" and doing it right are two different things What fun is Diplomacy if the AI is making the decisions...

	26-05-2003 21:08									#12
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It's a load of fun when you manage to trade techs...

Then the other guy gets to the chair and realizes that you just got Invention for Mapmaking.

	26-05-2003 21:32									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Making it "work" and doing it right are two different things What fun is Diplomacy if the AI is making the decisions...

Exactly why I called it clumsy.

	27-05-2003 04:22									#14
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I dunno, its clumsy but we had a lot of fun. I especially enjoyed catching him trying to look at my screen. Its nice being in the same room.

When he saw my knights appearing in force near his capital he suggested we start another game

	27-05-2003 04:29									#15
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	27-05-2003 09:03									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse When he saw my knights appearing in force near his capital he suggested we start another game

Shades of Trev and Hydey.

	27-05-2003 15:38									#18
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quote: Originally posted by finbar Shades of Trev and Hydey.

we all learn from the master

	27-05-2003 17:24									#19
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Hmm, so much for going easy on him.

I take it you're more of an old school kind of guy that doesn't feel the need to let the boy win for his self esteem.

RAH

	27-05-2003 18:02									#20
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We're playing for fun but he's learning too. I don't offer advice but I answer his questions.

Lesson 1: Humans play better than the ai. So don't attack them until ready. This lesson will be demonstrated rather than explained

	27-05-2003 18:18									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse Lesson 1: Humans play better than the ai. So don't attack them until ready.

Gee. More shades of Hydey and Trev. Got room on your other knee for Hydey?

	27-05-2003 18:29									#22
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You have to strike a balance between completely crushing the kid and thus his interest in the game, and making it too easy where he's sure to smell a rat.

You are right - This is something I learned from playing with Hydey.

*runs*

Last edited by Alexander's Horse on 27-05-2003 at 18:36

	27-05-2003 18:32									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse You have strike a balance between completely crushing the kid and thus his interest in the game, and making it too easy where he's sure to smell a rat. You are right - This is something I learned from playing with Hydey.

Yes it's always a tough balance. Something that I don't always succeed at, as demonstrated by my daughter's refusal to play me in certain games.

	27-05-2003 18:36									#24
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quote: Originally posted by rah Hmm, so much for going easy on him. I take it you're more of an old school kind of guy that doesn't feel the need to let the boy win for his self esteem. RAH

I played my dad in table tennis a couple of times a week for about 6 years before I won a game. It made it worth it.

	27-05-2003 18:38									#25
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He's been ruthlessly beating up his 6 year old brother in hotseat games.

	27-05-2003 18:45									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Makeo I played my dad in table tennis a couple of times a week for about 6 years before I won a game. It made it worth it.

We never did beat him. (of course when he got to old, he stopped playing) I agree, it makes it more worth it.

The current fashion of giving every kid participating trophies really sucks.

	27-05-2003 18:54									#27
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haha when i used to play football you would dread getting the encouragement award. rather get nothing.

	27-05-2003 19:07									#28
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My daughter has a whole box full of them. She won't display them due to her disdain for them, but she won't let me throw them out. I just don't see the point.

And it degrades actually winning. You get a trophy for winning and it doesn't seem to mean as much when EVERYONE else gets one.

The pussifying of America.

RAH

	27-05-2003 19:33									#29
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quote: Originally posted by rah The pussifying of America. RAH

Uhhh... Uhhhh... Uhhhh... Nahhhh... I won't go there.

But yeah, I wouldn't really care to get a 6th place trophy in a 6 person Civ Game

	27-05-2003 20:15									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Ming But yeah, I wouldn't really care to get a 6th place trophy in a 6 person Civ Game

THe engraving would probably say.....YOU SUCK!

RAH