26-05-2003 20:00									#91
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Besides, we can ask all who has served, and then make a poll if they thought it was worth it or not. I bet HUGE majority will say they don't have any regrets, and that they are glad that they joined.

	26-05-2003 20:01									#92
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer Oh well, thought you might have redeeming value there for a sec...

Sorry, but I'm a demon

	26-05-2003 20:02									#93
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I thought about the army,
Dad said "Son, you're fucking high."
And I thought "Yeah there's a first for everything."
So I took my old man's advice...

Ben Folds Five - Army.

	26-05-2003 20:03									#94
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Also, he's still 15 so it's still 2 years away.. youngsters change their minds all the time. If he still wants to go at 17.. then I guess he's just firm about it and really really wants to go.

	26-05-2003 20:13									#95
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Used to need parental permition at 17. If it's still the case you have the option to say no. Not a good option though...

	26-05-2003 20:28									#96
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quote: Originally posted by Rogan Josh Is it just me, or is the sort of person who nicknames themselves 'Apocalypse' really the sort of person we want as an officer in the US military?

Hey, I named myself that about 1/3 of my life ago (almost 6 years). Back when I first came to this board I was actually communist. I've matured though and hopefully Tass will too.

	26-05-2003 20:52									#97
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matured??
he has a 15 year old son!

	26-05-2003 20:59									#98
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Just because someone has a son doesn't mean they are mature.

	26-05-2003 21:00									#99
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Not to mention, we aren't even sure he has a son.

	26-05-2003 21:00									#100
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I wouldn't be concerned Tass.

Anyways, even with the war, statistically, I think you are more likely to die in civilian life than in service.

If I were a parent, I wouldn't care if my kid wanted to join the military. I've had many friends and relatives who have done so. It's a good experience and despite the immoral policies of the current president, a very honorable and moral course for one's life.

Tass, if you really want to discourage him (I assume its a him), then inform him that his life is in the hands of Dubya. That's reason enough for me not to join the military.

	26-05-2003 21:01									#101
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If he thinks you are dead set against i, peraps that will only push hi further in this path you don;t want him to go through. Right now, just tell him OK. Wait a year. Maybe in that year he will change his mind. Rememebr, as MtG aid, you have until he is 18 to stop him if at the end you think that would be wise, if your son trully wants to join up.

	26-05-2003 21:04									#102
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You should remember, that while many people here are ex-military (or even current), only one of them has turned out to be MtG. The military, while it has much to offer, also takes your personality away.

	26-05-2003 21:06									#103
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara You should remember, that while many people here are ex-military (or even current), only one of them has turned out to be MtG. The military, while it has much to offer, also takes your personality away.

Are you afraid that he'll turn out to be GP?

	26-05-2003 21:06									#104
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Are you afraid that he'll turn out to be GP?

I'm sure Tass is

	26-05-2003 21:49									#105
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Two years is a long time for a lad of 15. When I was 15, I wanted to be an astrophysicist, now a few years later I'm a writer!

It wont help to explain how you feel about it, he may well feel the same as the more pro-america, pro-military, right wing people on here. No disrespect intended of course, we do have differing views but both are equally valid.

I guess the best you can do is explain your case to him in a reasoned manner, interfacing with his own assumptions. Someone said that if he's 17, he needs your consent, in which case, get him to present you with a reasoned case for him joining. Its how my parents brought me up, and I consider it to be a good asset of mine.

When he's able to make his choice on his own, then obviously, still present your case, if he still joins, support him. A child has to forge its own decisions when it flies the nest, and make its own mistakes. In that case, the best you can do is be there for the lad and support him.

	26-05-2003 22:23									#106
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Make damn sure he finishes high school. There are far better opportunities both in and out of the military for those who do. After that, let him go. His life, his call. The thing to remember is that he's far more likely to be killed in a civillian environment than a military one. In the military, you've got well trained individuals watching your back. Out on the highway, you're on your own.

	26-05-2003 23:02									#107
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I agree, highschool needs to be finished.

Besides that, what exactly is the problem? The US military is an excellent institution, and if he gets into an academy, well, that's some pretty top-quality education.

You should be proud, Tassadar, but it is good to really talk with your son and make sure he is doing this for himself, and has given it thought. If he decides this is the right thing for him, you should support him as soon as he graduates.

	26-05-2003 23:17									#108
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quote: How much coffee do you drink every day?

Maybe a cup a day.

But.....I may have forgotten to mention I have....OCD

quote: he didn't claim to be a good one.

quote: Your son can always do ROTC as well. Does the high school have a branch?

Unfortunately, no. But we do have a recruiter in the area.....

quote: Did you lie about the financial distress also?

What? No

quote: You are Tiamatting us.

quote: Resisting lust and such.

I live in UTAH When in Rome....

quote: Anyways, even with the war, statistically, I think you are more likely to die in civilian life than in service.

Link?

elijah: Ya know what? I think I'll do that.

Thanks everyone.

	27-05-2003 00:33									#109
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quote: Link?

Link for what? It was in an article in today's paper. Only like 150-200 people have died in the military in the past 2 years. I'm not sure of the exact math, but it's a lot less, proportionally, than the civilians that have died.

Note that I'm not specifying a specific cause of death.

	27-05-2003 01:21									#110
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At 15 I wanted to go to the Army too... Combat and all... Now I'm willing to risk maybe a half-year, even a year in prison (or more, who knows?) not to. Although I ofcourse am doing my best to dodge it

	27-05-2003 01:23									#111
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I think what happened to you is poetic justice, Tassadar.

	27-05-2003 01:38									#112
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Azazel: Exactly .

	27-05-2003 01:42									#113
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel I think what happened to you is poetic justice, Tassadar.

	27-05-2003 01:43									#114
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Let him go, just be sure you have a more peaceful President before he does.

	27-05-2003 01:47									#115
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yes, hold him on a leash until the 04' elections.

Then, as things are looking now, hold him there some more.

	27-05-2003 01:54									#116
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Seriously, though, that's an interesting dilemma, Tassadar. How's your kid doing at school?

	27-05-2003 03:03									#117
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quote: Originally posted by Kirnwaffen Make damn sure he finishes high school. There are far better opportunities both in and out of the military for those who do. After that, let him go. His life, his call. The thing to remember is that he's far more likely to be killed in a civillian environment than a military one. In the military, you've got well trained individuals watching your back. Out on the highway, you're on your own.

hi ,

why should he , if he can run around in 4-5 years time with a degree from a top us school , ....

those years would be a waste of time , .....

get him to (army) school

have a nice day

	27-05-2003 04:29									#118
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You gotta let him go Tass.

He's reaching the age where the only way for him to grow is for Daddy to let him grow up and be a man.

	27-05-2003 04:36									#119
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker You gotta let him go Tass. He's reaching the age where the only way for him to grow is for Daddy to let him grow up and be a man.

hi ,

seconded , and no matter what , always support him (!)

no matter how many times he falls , .....

have a nice day

	27-05-2003 04:45									#120
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quote: Originally posted by Kirnwaffen The thing to remember is that he's far more likely to be killed in a civillian environment than a military one.

Depends on the President. An extremely high number of service personal died during the Reagan administration. IIRC, it was over 19,000. Over eight years with a military of 2.5 million, it's still an extremely high number, considering we were officially at peace. It's a lot harder for the miitary to keep casulaties down when they're secretly at war (not that we'll have to do that anymore).

Tass. Just make sure he graduates from college. Then, as a graduation present (and let him know about this before he enlists), send him to Europe to travel around on his own for a bit.