27-05-2003 03:39									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Tassadar5000 The glorious part of this however is that I HAVENT PROPOSE ANYTHING!!!

Your very existence is degrading.

quote: Just another display of your stupidity, Fez

I don't display any stupidity. You have been doing that.

quote: And there are no American infidels in Baghdad

Get a clue! The Pravda is not a reliable news source!

	27-05-2003 03:39									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Fez I can't stand the heat? I am doing a lot better than your leftist thugs.

Yes, and Argentina is doing better than Germany, isn't it Fez?

quote: You propose nothing but turning the entire world into a worldwide Somalia!

Again Fez, I haven't proposed anything Yet more proof of your incompentence

	27-05-2003 03:40									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski I have no job because of people who think that a company will make more money with less staff. My college and university education, which entitles me to the title of doctor, BTW, clearly demonstrates MY incompetence. You are right Fez, the unempolyed just don't want to work do they, they like being poor, and they're too stuipid to get a job.

Then let them get a job.

You want the opposite of that.

	27-05-2003 03:40									#64
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What's wrong with PRAVDA

-Jam

	27-05-2003 03:41									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Fez Your very existence is degrading.

Ad Hominem.....

quote: I don't display any stupidity. You have been doing that.

But I'm not the one accusing your proposition of being flawed....WHEN YOU NEVER EVEN GAVE ONE

quote: Get a clue! The Pravda is not a reliable news source!

I've noticed you like refrencing to Pravda quite a bit. It's almost like when a child learns a new word and uses it as much as he/she can

	27-05-2003 03:41									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Tassadar5000 Yes, and Argentina is doing better than Germany, isn't it Fez?

I am from Spain.. and for the past ten years.. yes it has been doing better than Germany.

quote: Again Fez, I haven't proposed anything Yet more proof of your incompentence

I am not incompetent. You are. You haven't proposed anything because you can't think of anything.

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quote: You want the opposite of that

PLEASE STOP TELLING WHAT I WANT UNLESS YOU ACTUALL KNOW YOU FASCIST LUNATIC ! ! !

-Jam

	27-05-2003 03:42									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski PLEASE STOP TELLING WHAT I WANT UNLESS YOU ACTUALL KNOW YOU FASCIST LUNATIC ! ! ! -Jam

I am not a fascist and not even close to one.

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quote: Originally posted by Jamski -Jam

Go ahead and laugh. Because you are the one who is actually closer to communism and fascism.

	27-05-2003 03:44									#71
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quote: Originally posted by Fez I am from Spain.. and for the past ten years.. yes it has been doing better than Germany.

Let me quote something from the CIA World Factbook:

quote: As Europe's largest economy and most populous nation,

AND:

GERMANY: GDP:
purchasing power parity - $2.184 trillion (2002 est.)

SPAIN: GDP:
purchasing power parity - $828 billion (2002 est.)

Look before you leap.........THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK

quote: I am not incompetent. You are. You haven't proposed anything because you can't think of anything.

But I thought you said my proposal was flawed!! Now you say I have NO proposal How interesting

	27-05-2003 03:44									#72
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Sure you are - help the elite, let the poor starve and tell them its for their own good. Facism pure and simple.

-Jam

	27-05-2003 03:46									#73
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quote: Because you are the one who is actually closer to communism and fascism.

What? Both?

GO AND LEARN SOMETHING ABOUT POLITICS

Then think about what you just said.

(idiot)

-Jam

	27-05-2003 03:47									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Tassadar5000 GERMANY: GDP: purchasing power parity - $2.184 trillion (2002 est.) SPAIN: GDP: purchasing power parity - $828 billion (2002 est.) Look before you leap.........THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK

Not comparing economy sizes. So you think before you speak.

Also you forgot:

GDP Growth (Spain): 2% (2002 est.)
GDP Growth (Germany): 0.4% (2002 est.)

quote: But I thought you said my proposal was flawed!! Now you say I have NO proposal How interesting

The very nature of having no proposal is a flaw.

Jamski:

Never did I propose that. Infact I am for the development of a large middle class. You aren't.

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quote: Originally posted by Jamski What? Both? GO AND LEARN SOMETHING ABOUT POLITICS Then think about what you just said. (idiot) -Jam

They are both quite similar. They work by coercion. I never proposed coercion.

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quote: Originally posted by Fez Not comparing economy sizes. So you think before you speak. Also you forgot: GDP Growth (Spain): 2% (2002 est.) GDP Growth (Germany): 0.4% (2002 est.)

The Chinese economy is gorwing INFINATELY faster than the American one.

Does that mean the Chinese economy is LIGHTYEARS ahead of America?

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quote: You aren't.

PLEASE STOP TELLING ME WHAT I WANT UNLESS YOU ACTUALLY KNOW YOU FASCIST LUNATIC ! ! !

-Jam

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quote: Originally posted by Tassadar5000 The Chinese economy is gorwing INFINATELY faster than the American one. Does that mean the Chinese economy is LIGHTYEARS ahead of America?

I never claimed that either. In fact I am saying the Spanish economy is performing better than the German economy has. It has been that way for a decade. But Spain has brought itself into the 21st century. China still has some ways to go.

Jamski: Stop being a hypocrite, and stop saying what I want too.

	27-05-2003 03:51									#79
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Another idiot that confuses communism with stalinism

*shrugs*

What's the point of arguing with Fez? Anyone know?

Wait untill the day when you need some help from your government, eh Fez?

-Jam

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quote: Originally posted by Jamski Another idiot that confuses communism with stalinism *shrugs* What's the point of arguing with Fez? Anyone know? Wait untill the day when you need some help from your government, eh Fez? -Jam

I can get help from a government that spends responsibly. I am getting a student loan in a short time from the government but I will actually have to pay this back over a period of time.

Fool.

	27-05-2003 03:55									#81
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the biggest mistake of the SPD goverment was inventing a tax for low income jobs, which were tax free before. a lot of small concerns were forced into insolvence by that. and even worse, the goverment still doesnīt repair it.
but this is only one small part of the big puzzle...

abolishing social welfare and unemployment security is bullshit. we are no banana-republik.

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*can't help himself*

Sorry Fez, but I did actually ask you what you thought TWICE and you answered - to cut the benefits. So I do know what you want because you told me. Thanks for calling me a hypocrite by the way, that was nice of you - you uncaring capitalist pig.

(Fez - The boy that would let people starve to help the economy)

Well ladies, gotta go, this is getting old fast.

-Jam

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quote: Originally posted by oedo abolishing social welfare and unemployment security is bullshit. we are no banana-republik.

I never proposed that. I just want it to be restructured... but then again who am I to say this.. your country. Not mine.

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quote: Originally posted by Jamski *can't help himself* Sorry Fez, but I did actually ask you what you thought TWICE and you answered - to cut the benefits. So I do know what you want because you told me. Thanks for calling me a hypocrite by the way, that was nice of you - you uncaring capitalist pig. (Fez - The boy that would let people starve to help the economy) Well ladies, gotta go, this is getting old fast. -Jam

Actually by helping the economy you would ensure people good jobs and more than adequate food on the table.

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quote: the biggest mistake of the SPD goverment was inventing a tax for low income jobs, which were tax free before. a lot of small concerns were forced into insolvence by that. and even worse, the goverment still doesnīt repair it. but this is only one small part of the big puzzle... abolishing social welfare and unemployment security is bullshit. we are no banana-republik.

-Jam

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Yeah, I see that problem coming here too slowly. Taxing lower income workers so hard like here, it creates labor, people who work hard, but still can't make a living because hard taxing. There has to be something wrong with that. If you have a full time job, then damn it, it should be enough for the basic stuff.

	27-05-2003 04:05									#87
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quote: I never proposed that. I just want it to be restructured...

I never said you proposed that. and I even agree that some things must be fixed.

I think it makes a difference, if the person, who falls into unemployness is 30 years old or younger or too old to have mentionable chances on the market. young people need education, if necessary even pressure to accept a job or an education. but the elder you get, the more useless this kind of pressure will become.

with pressure I mean, the amount of social welfare is dependent on the willingness to change something on ones own unemployment. I generally go with Schröders Agenda-plan on this.

but this is all very, very complicated.

	27-05-2003 04:16									#88
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Doesn't Germany have this new almost revolutionary plan I am hearing about? I heard it will restructure everything? I'd like to hear more details about it...

Yes, a job and education is the most important. When a person grows old, they have to be either supported by the retirement money they collected during their years working or by government aid. The elderly can be helped by the government. I just don't want to see hundreds of thousands of thirty year olds live off government welfare when they can get a job.

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quote: Doesn't Germany have this new almost revolutionary plan I am hearing about? I heard it will restructure everything? I'd like to hear more details about it...

right. itīs called Agenda 2010, and the name itself sounds like a long term project. Iīm no economist and thatīs why I canīt provide you with further details. I only hope that it wonīt be shreddered to useless crap after passing the instances (Bundestag & Bundesrat). this is what happened to all reform plans the recent 12 years before.

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quote: Originally posted by oedo right. itīs called Agenda 2010, and the name itself sounds like a long term project. Iīm no economist and thatīs why I canīt provide you with further details. I only hope that it wonīt be shreddered to useless crap after passing the instances (Bundestag & Bundesrat). this is what happened to all reform plans the recent 12 years before.

Yeah I will look it up.. thanks for telling me the name of it. I hope it gets through without being scratched too much. In my opinion, it is the last hope.