30-05-2003 09:55									#31
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Some of the opinions here are insanely ridiculous.

What's this deal about "punishing" China? Yes, take away free trade and take away American investments. Cut adrift from the world, the Chinese government would only become more repressive; the Chinese people would only become more ignorant. It's not like this hasn't happened before. But some people just never learn their history.

Your logic is baffling. Something is wrong - so to punish the problem, let's make it worse! Let's punish the next fire in your kitchen with gasoline! Surely the fire will be offended and then go out by itself.

I'm just happy that it's not people like you running the American government and corporations. Ending the "most favored nation" status indeed.

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	30-05-2003 09:57									#32
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk UR's sitting there, desperately hoping this thread will quickly and silently slide off the front page before one of his minders sees it.

Tell me, TMM, what grave crimes did the people in an Afghan wedding possession commit so that bombs were dropped on them?

	30-05-2003 09:59									#33
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They did nothing, it was an unfortunate accident due to our forces misinterpreting their small arms fire.

Your turn!

	30-05-2003 10:03									#34
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk They did nothing, it was an unfortunate accident due to our forces misinterpreting their small arms fire. Your turn!

So that does not constitute as gross violation of human rights?

	30-05-2003 10:08									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger So that does not constitute as gross violation of human rights?

No, it doesn't. Did your mother cook standing next to a broken microwave while pregnant with you?

	30-05-2003 10:12									#36
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk Mao sighting +1! UR's sitting there, desperately hoping this thread will quickly and silently slide off the front page before one of his minders sees it. edit: erm...hi, UR!

...did you quote the wrong post Monk?

	30-05-2003 10:31									#37
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Nope, I was answering Tass, just happened to see you sitting there.

How's it going?

	30-05-2003 10:34									#38
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It's been going alright, been around...

	30-05-2003 10:40									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Zylka No, it doesn't. Did your mother cook standing next to a broken microwave while pregnant with you?

Considering that the intelligence in my left pinky is more than the sum of intelligence in your entire body, that question is left as an exercise for you to answer, Zylka.

	30-05-2003 11:21									#40
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Nevertheless, he answered your question correctly -- amazing, isn't it?

	30-05-2003 11:36									#41
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I hope they remember those four guys when that happy day arrives in which the CCP's stranglehold on power is finally broken. I fervently hope I live to see that day.

	30-05-2003 16:37									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Three words: Lee Wen Ho. Or what about Camp X-Ray, where *cough* unlawful combatants *cough* are detained? How long have they been there, anyway?

Almost as long as these young men waited to hear that they will be spending the next 10 years in prison for nothing. It is quite likely that one or more of them will not live to see the light of day again, given the mortality rate in Chinese prisons.

	30-05-2003 18:30									#43
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quote: Three words: Lee Wen Ho.

Notable chiefly as an exception.

Also, perhaps you weren't aware that there was a major scandal over this, complete with lots of highly critical news coverage and the presiding judge publicly chastizing the FBI for it's conduct. Can you imagine a similar reaction in China over the four college students?

	30-05-2003 18:56									#44
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@UR

"Hey, don't look over there. There's nothing to see there. Look over at America. Stop looking over there. Look at America!"

	30-05-2003 19:35									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Considering that the intelligence in my left pinky is more than the sum of intelligence in your entire body, that question is left as an exercise for you to answer, Zylka.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

TAK THAT 1 ZYLKA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

	30-05-2003 19:37									#46
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quote: Originally posted by DaShi @UR "Hey, don't look over there. There's nothing to see there. Look over at America. Stop looking over there. Look at America!"

Yeah, good point. I've found that non-Americans, or should I say anti-Americans, absolutely cannot talk about their own country without mentioning the US at least once.

	30-05-2003 20:03									#47
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quote: Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn Yeah, good point. I've found that non-Americans, or should I say anti-Americans, absolutely cannot talk about their own country without mentioning the US at least once.

...say "anti-Americans"...

	30-05-2003 21:13									#48
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Naah, once we started paying people a dollar an hour, we were screwed out of the making cheap useless crap for gringos business.

Damn!

quote: Originally posted by DaShi @UR "Hey, don't look over there. There's nothing to see there. Look over at America. Stop looking over there. Look at America!"

That does seem standard opperating procedure for him. You'd think there was some psychological condition preventing him from saying something bad about the government in Beijing.

	30-05-2003 21:43									#49
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quote: Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn Yeah, good point. I've found that non-Americans, or should I say anti-Americans, absolutely cannot talk about their own country without mentioning the US at least once.

Canada is the second largest country in the world, the most beautiful country on earth and the first country in hockey.

	30-05-2003 21:45									#50
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Canadians are Americans.

	30-05-2003 21:49									#51
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Nah, Americans are just Canadians gone wrong.

	31-05-2003 01:45									#52
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quote: Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOL TAK THAT 1 ZYLKA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know, I'm still at a loss on how to respond because MY LEFT PINKY

...and just where have you been???

	31-05-2003 02:03									#53
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quote: the most beautiful country on earth

Bah, you can't compete with Switzerland.

	31-05-2003 02:04									#54
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quote: Originally posted by The Vagabond Do you do it on principle, or perhaps simply time isn't yet ripe for you?

The people I do most of my consulting work for have a bunch of stuff going in China now. I could probably rack up six figures worth of fees between now and the end of the year if I chose to work on it. If I had nothing else to do, and no prospects of getting anything else to do, I'd have to rethink my position, of course, but so far, I've never not found other stuff to do.

I should have a pretty busy second half of the year anyway, but this would be gravy work, if I took it.

	02-06-2003 11:09									#55
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quote: The people I do most of my consulting work for have a bunch of stuff going in China now.

Any idea where in China that work would take place? Honestly, what's happening now in Shanghai (and to a lesser extent in other major cities) is extraordinary, perhaps unprecedented in history. The opportunity to check such a scene out sounds even better if it's on an employer's expense account!

On the other hand, if the work would take place in the outer provinces, it could be depressing.

	02-06-2003 12:18									#56
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quote: Originally posted by mindseye On the other hand, if the work would take place in the outer provinces, it could be depressing.

It depends. Unless you're talking about the really poor areas, it shouldn't be bad at all. For example, Chungching looks rather lively, and it has 30m pop.

	02-06-2003 12:21									#57
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Good - everyone that's less than 30 should be forced to shut up in public and be prevented from using money.

That way I can ride the subway to work in peace without hearing their ill-mannered jibber-jabbering and looking at the tasteless adverts for the crap they want to buy.

Bah - humbug!

	02-06-2003 18:30									#58
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Hey UR and Mindseye:

Any idea when the CCP is going to let their money float so we foreign language teachers can flood in to steal the women and drink the beer?

Right now the RMB they are offering is so low that you have to be crazy to choose china over taiwan. korea, or japan (32-34 k CAD p.a.)

	02-06-2003 19:27									#59
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk Nevertheless, he answered your question correctly -- amazing, isn't it?

Clearly he answered wrong. Wantonly killing people isn't a gross violation of human rights? This is highly hypocritical.

	02-06-2003 19:36									#60
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quote: Originally posted by mindseye quote: Three words: Lee Wen Ho. Notable chiefly as an exception.

Perhaps this is one of those exceptional cases?

quote: Originally posted by mindseye Also, perhaps you weren't aware that there was a major scandal over this, complete with lots of highly critical news coverage and the presiding judge publicly chastizing the FBI for it's conduct. Can you imagine a similar reaction in China over the four college students?

IIRC, no mainstream newspaper was anywhere being critical of this, not even after the fact. Yes, there were some contrary voices, but they were few and far between, and most went along with the official story. ]Relevant article.

quote: But once I was outside in the bright heat of an early desert afternoon, it seemed outrageous that yet again the media were leaving out their own responsibility in the creation of this wicked tale. The torment of Wen Ho Lee did not begin in December of 1999, with his indictment and arrest, but rather the previous March, when the New York Times, the most respected media outlet in the country, laid out a tale of atomic spying that has been proved wrong on virtually every count, but that launched a witch hunt ending in Lee's incarceration [see Bill Mesler, "The Spy Who Wasn't," August 9/16, 1999].