02-06-2003 22:19									#91
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Wrong sources again.

	02-06-2003 22:20									#92
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For Patty Cakes:

Spanish Airforce
95 F/A-18 Hornets
87 Eurofighter (On Order)
66 Mirage F-1C/E/B/D
14 RF-4C Phantoms

And some others

Moroccan Airforce
35 F-5s
35 Mirage F-1s
23 Alpha Jet

Really who is bound to win?

	02-06-2003 22:21									#93
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quote: Originally posted by Fez Yes they did stay there. Man what the **** is wrong with you?

You went there once, you left after the Marocans refused to leave. Then you asked them to leave for days. You went back after having negotiated a deal.

Can't make it any simpler than that.

	02-06-2003 22:21									#94
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Marocans oviously if judging from your reactions.

	02-06-2003 22:21									#95
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 Wrong sources again.

PROVIDE A DAMN SOURCE TO DISPROVE THAT, LITTLE ONE LINERS WON'T WORK.

Give me something I can work with. It happens to be mylima has a lot of credibility backing it. You don't have any.

	02-06-2003 22:22									#96
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WOW, the spanish airforce doesn't stand a chance against the Greek one BTW. Just a sidenote.


And you have 3 times largeer country and population...

	02-06-2003 22:22									#97
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 You went there once, you left after the Marocans refused to leave. Then you asked them to leave for days. You went back after having negotiated a deal. Can't make it any simpler than that.

No we didn't. We stayed there indefinitely to make sure they didn't come back. We also took the time to take the Moroccan soldiers there and send them back to Morocco. Talk about nice.

	02-06-2003 22:23									#98
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yes you were nice. You went there once and left after being told so.

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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 WOW, the spanish airforce doesn't stand a chance against the Greek one BTW. Just a sidenote.

It doesn't have to. And besides why should we? You are so far away. I think those Italians are the ones you should worry about with their AMXs.

And besides we attack France, we only need one aircraft. That is all France will need to surrender.

	02-06-2003 22:24									#100
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 yes you were nice. You went there once and left after being told so.

**** NO. We stayed there to make sure Morocco didn't do anything.

Your retarded one liner posts are no longer working patty cakes.

	02-06-2003 22:26									#101
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quote: the spanish airforce doesn't stand a chance against the Greek one BTW. Just a sidenote.

Seriously, paiktis, how many planes do you have?

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quote: Originally posted by Fez Greek Airforce: Mirage 2000: 49 Mirage F1: 24 F-16s: 125 F-5: 95 F-4: 97 A-7 Corsair: 91 And some others Turkish Airforce: F-16s: 200 F-4s: 207 F-5s: 161 And some others http://www.mylima.com/airforce

Goddamn you can't trust no one. The fine print on this link shows its from 95. http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/waf/turk/turkaf4.htm

	02-06-2003 22:48									#103
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My source is from 1999/2000. It has been updated several times since then.

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quote: Originally posted by Azazel quote: And F-5s? Put it this way, the Canadian Armed Forces got rid of their F-5 20 years ago and that means the F-5s are really, really old. Alas, platforms are becoming less and less relevant in aerial combat.

To some degree yes, but we're talking about F-5s so they have to be more than 20 years old given that Northrop started making F-20s in the 80s.

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quote: Originally posted by Fez My source is from 1999/2000. It has been updated several times since then.

I meant the one I cited before, and the one I cited in the post.

	02-06-2003 23:39									#106
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There is a lot more to aerial combat than simply numbers and types of aircraft, including serviceability, how up to date the missiles are and how good the ground control and radar systems are. Neither Greece nor Turkey scores too well on any of these.

Actually it doesn't matter anyway because the Greek forces are not designed to fight. If Greece goes to war with someone the plan is for their secret weapon, codename Pattycakes, to bore the opposition into surrender.

	02-06-2003 23:41									#107
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quote: Originally posted by CerberusIV There is a lot more to aerial combat than simply numbers and types of aircraft, including serviceability, how up to date the missiles are and how good the ground control and radar systems are. Neither Greece nor Turkey scores too well on any of these.

Yeah I heard that Turkey is slightly better but both are still poor.

Spain does a good job with serviceability and radar systems but we got fewer numbers.

quote: Actually it doesn't matter anyway because the Greek forces are not designed to fight. If Greece goes to war with someone the plan is for their secret weapon, codename Pattycakes, to bore the opposition into surrender.

	03-06-2003 04:06									#108
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quote: In time, when the Albanians will be a majority we'll do a second name change and then live in peace with one another like we have done so far.

You'll do a name change? While your point about Albanian majority is very accurate , I disbelieve it will lead to Greece changing her name.

	03-06-2003 05:15									#109
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I heard something a while ago about Turkey's air force. This was that the U.S. was transferring them some Apache helicopters with top-of-the-line computer equipment, but only 95% of the programming codes.

It made me wonder: What is the other five per cent for? I decided that it's probably activated by Echelon or some such and shuts off the weapons or the engine.

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If I were the turks, I'd take out the computers and replace them.

Nonetheless, this is an expensive method of pigeon populaiton control. Suprising he survived at that low altitude!!

Who reckons Trafalger Square should be a no-fly zone?

	03-06-2003 05:20									#111
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Well the Turks are probably wondering what they can do with pigeons...

	03-06-2003 05:22									#112
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quote: Originally posted by elijah If I were the turks, I'd take out the computers and replace them.

So would I, but Turkey's not well-known for its computers. At least not to me.

	03-06-2003 05:34									#113
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Am I correct in saying that Sony didnt ship PS2's (the consoles not the mice) to North Korea for fear the chips could be used in cruise missiles? If I want to make a long range weapon, I wont use a MIPS processor!!!

My point is that there is surely plenty of low-grade consumer available tech that would be good for military use. Remember that the computer that took men to the moon was the size of my dining room and outperformed by my digital alarm clock. Its even outperformed by my P4!!!

	03-06-2003 06:08									#114
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quote: Nonetheless, this is an expensive method of pigeon populaiton control.

Nah, it was a fair dogfight
and this time the pidgeon performed a daring manoevar and won a somewhat costly victory