12-06-2003 23:24									#1
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Israeli news agencies are saying that according to their military contacts, this is just a beginning of a wide-spread operation against Hamas in Gaza. Israeli military actions have so for spared most of the Hamas leadership and Gaza, and was dedicated to destroying suspected bomb manufacturing facilities at night, and leaving at dawn.


Hamas promises revenge and says that Sharon is a target now.


A senior Hamas member giving an interview to Al-Jazeera was asked about the possibility Israel would annihilite Hamas top eschelons as of now. The member replied that 'the occupier' have already used their entire arsenal against the intifada, and therefore the Hamas and the brave Palestinian people are not frightened by Israeli threats.

A minute later the live interview was cut short by the arab equivalent of: "Oh ****, I hear helicopters. Go away".



(quote slightly paraphrased to increase irony )

	12-06-2003 23:33									#2
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In the week since the Aqaba summit, terrorist activities directed at Israeli citizens, and soldiers have cost 7 Israeli lives (several soldiers, and a young couple, who were murdered while apparently "flirting" in the nature)

Israeli security services have stopped no less than 10 suicide bombers on their way to, or about to leave for Israeli cities.

According to military sources, a high eschelon Hamas meeting dealing with the proposed "cease-fire" with Israel ended with the decision to continue attacks, and intelligence pointed to Rantisi as the primary (almost sole) force resisting to declare a temporary cease fire. Following that, Israel decided to target Rantisi, and failed to kill him, instead apparently killing several bystanders and Rantisi's Hamas bodyguards.

	12-06-2003 23:43									#3
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Siro, I don't know if you intended the double sense of you thread title, but according to the news I got, it hits the nail. Would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

	12-06-2003 23:46									#4
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I copied the original post and re-posted it on another board I post on, but credited you as the author.

	12-06-2003 23:55									#5
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Adalbertus: If you thought that the Hamas was not in the midst of a man-hunt on Israeli innocent civilians, I refer you to the 10 suicide attempts since Aqaba. 10 Attempts in 7 days.

	13-06-2003 00:05									#6
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I'm quite aware of the fact that Hamas is Sharon's most reliable ally in destroying hopes for peace.

	13-06-2003 00:34									#7
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How about real arguments?

So, why is Sharon interested in destroying the peace process?

	13-06-2003 00:34									#8
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quote: In the week since the Aqaba summit, terrorist activities directed at Israeli citizens, and soldiers have cost 7 Israeli lives (several soldiers, and a young couple, who were murdered while apparently "flirting" in the nature)

Shu?

The correct number is 25.

	13-06-2003 00:37									#9
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I don't include the latest figures.

	13-06-2003 00:38									#10
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Roughly half an hour ago the head of the Islamic Jihad in Jenin was killed after trying to escape arrest.

Edit : Another IJ guy was killed and 5 arrested in the same incident.

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	13-06-2003 00:52									#11
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quote: So, why is Sharon interested in destroying the peace process?

The conflict is his personal political future. He gets elected because he says he works against the palestinian threat. Without the threat, he loses his argument. Therefore, he always has to appear doing something against it, but at the same time he does what he can to incite it (of course in a subtle way that most westerners are too stupid to recognise it. Sending porns on palestinian TV, for example. It's not a joke but an offense to most muslims). And this is exactly where he needs the Hamas: When international protests get too strong, he can go to negotiations, knowing that Hamas will bomb a few days later. Then, life will be made hard for *all* Palestinians, regardless of what they do. That's the best way to recruit for Hamas.
Don't get fooled, this is the same sad game which goes on for all the presidentship of Sharon.

	13-06-2003 00:57									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Adalbertus The conflict is his personal political future.

hes an old guy - he doesnt have much political future one way or the other.

Hes gone farther in making acknowleding Pals right to a state than any Likud leader has ever done - all evidence is that he does want peace - but on his terms.

	13-06-2003 01:00									#13
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quote: The conflict is his personal political future. He gets elected because he says he works against the palestinian threat.

He is almost 75 years old and he already announced that he wont run in the next elections.

	13-06-2003 01:02									#14
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quote: The conflict is his personal political future.

What Eli said.

	13-06-2003 01:30									#15
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quote: Don't get fooled, this is the same sad game which goes on for all the presidentship of Sharon.

Funny that Barak did the same thing yet lost.

	13-06-2003 01:38									#16
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Where is the "Uproot Hamas" video game?

	13-06-2003 01:56									#17
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Funny there is no such game.


But there is a hezballah game for PC, where you can ambus israeli soldiers, destroy israeli tanks, and possibly shoot israeli civilians.

	13-06-2003 02:22									#18
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I'm sure the graphics in the Hezbollah game suck. And I'm sure the game is way too easy.

Is it illegal on 'Poly to talk about downloading this one ?

	13-06-2003 02:25									#19
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I've heard it has been a smash hit with arab youth, since they got tired from all playing the same terrorist side in counterstrike.

	13-06-2003 02:31									#20
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Such a policy, while it suppresses the immediate threat, does not remove the "reasons" why the attacks happen. (note the double quotes, because this is stretching the word reason... can't think of an alternative word right now).

Organisations like Hamas, IJ etc are like Hydras. You cut off the head, and it sprouts 2 more.

As for that Hezbollah game... I bet it doesn't include getting the crap blown out of you by a sniper or Hellfire missile. Not that I'm encouraging a rewrite or indeed the original - sounds quite sick.

	13-06-2003 05:46									#21
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So the circulus vitiosus is turning again.

Israel military will try to assassinate Hamas Leaders and members,
thereby probably (as usual) also killing other innocent Palestinians who just happen to be in the wrong place at this time,
Hamas will respond by bombing Restaurants, Discos or other places, thereby killing innocent Israelis who just happen to be in the wrong place at this time,
as a response the Israel military will commit more targeted killings (or will conduct further military operations within Westbank and Gaza) where probably again innocent Palestinians will bekilled

and so on and so on.

Same procedure as everyday

	13-06-2003 06:01									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Proteus_MST Hamas will respond by bombing Restaurants, Discos or other places, thereby killing innocent Israelis who just happen to be in the wrong place at this time,

Bullshit, Hamas and co. want to target innocent Israelis.

	13-06-2003 06:04									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Lord Merciless Bullshit, Hamas and co. want to target innocent Israelis.

Yes, I won´t doubt it.
For the Hamas those Israelis are at the right place at this time,
but the victims themselves for sure would consider to be at the wrong place this time

	13-06-2003 06:28									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Proteus_MST Hamas will respond by bombing Restaurants, Discos or other places, thereby killing innocent Israelis who just happen to be in the wrong place at this time

Hamas will bomb Restaurants, Discos and other places regardless of what Israel does. It's not a response. Hamas has said, over and over again, that they will not stop if there is a single Jew in Israel. They have been very open about this. So the term "respond" is incorrect.

	13-06-2003 16:56									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Edan Hamas will bomb Restaurants, Discos and other places regardless of what Israel does. It's not a response. Hamas has said, over and over again, that they will not stop if there is a single Jew in Israel. They have been very open about this. So the term "respond" is incorrect.

But the more Palestinians die,
the more support Hamas will get from the palestinian Population
and the more Suicide Attacks will happen.

There was AFAIK a time where there were much less bombings than today, it was the time where there was a glimpse of hope and the Summits at Oslo.

Has the Policy of Retaliation against the Palestinians done anything to lessen the number of Suicide attacks against Israel?
I doubt it.

	13-06-2003 17:47									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel I've heard it has been a smash hit with arab youth, since they got tired from all playing the same terrorist side in counterstrike.

"The bong has been loaded!"

	13-06-2003 17:51									#27
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Hmmm, seems a little backwards.
Has all the added security and attacks against Hamas foiled potential attacks. There seems to be sufficient prove of that. And since Hamas will continue attacks until there are no Jews left, they really have no choice but to fight fire with fire.

Anyone that thinks Hamas is ever going to stop is just deluding themselves and not listening to what they say EVERY TIME.

	13-06-2003 18:09									#28
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The Hamas won't stop at all, as long as it survives.
The problem with this kind of organization is that no matter how many times you destroy it, it keeps revivng if you don't adress the root causes that makes it supported.

I'm sure yesterday's terract wasn't an "answer" to the attack against Hamas' #2.

My main concern is to know how many Palestinian people decided to join the fight after seeing the kid die under the Israeli missile.

Root out the causes for Hamas' support, or you'll have to fight against an hydra;.

	13-06-2003 18:14									#29
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Unfortunatly the root cause is Jewish exsistence.

	13-06-2003 18:18									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor The Hamas won't stop at all, as long as it survives. The problem with this kind of organization is that no matter how many times you destroy it, it keeps revivng if you don't adress the root causes that makes it supported. I'm sure yesterday's terract wasn't an "answer" to the attack against Hamas' #2. My main concern is to know how many Palestinian people decided to join the fight after seeing the kid die under the Israeli missile. Root out the causes for Hamas' support, or you'll have to fight against an hydra;.

Yes, they wouldn´t stop from doing it, at least the hard core from Hamas and of course the leaders,
but there are people outside of Hamas who could either support or not support Hamas, the people you could call the ordinary Palestinians.

So the question is, if there aren´t other ways to get rid of those Hamas Members, maybe for example by Police actions.
The Israel military knows enough of the Locations of Hamas Leaders to try to assassinate them. So wouldn´t it also be possible to try to arrest them at the right time?
Of course it would be much more dangerous for the israel policemen and/or soldiers, but at the same time it would save the life of innocent palestinian civilians, would be the thing you could expect from a Democracy and maybe it would lessen the tensions, especially in a time where there are peace talks.