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Starchild is offline Starchild
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Still slightly numb. All I can say is WOW. It worked. It worked beautifully. This feels, truly and properly, like the end. The story's complete and, god, what a story.

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I have to see the entire series some day. Started missing out in the beginning.

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I've got much the same feeling I had when Babylon 5 ended. It's the end because it the story's over, not because the money's dried up or the writers are tired.

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That scene with all the potentials across the world becoming Slayers. That was cool.

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The story isn't really over. Josh did leave himself an out for any movie deals he can cut.

Personally, I was crossing my fingers for a spin off with Eliza Dushku.

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^ Actually, the network and the studio had already approved a spin-off based around Faith. Tim Minear (an accomplished Angel writer, including this season's finale) was going to be in charge of it (with Joss Whedon, of course), but then Eliza opted to go for the Fox series Tru Calling.

Given that Fox will likely cancel that show in half a season, we may yet get that Faith spin-off .

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There's to be a Ripper spin off, IIRC.

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Man, this is so, like, Old. Series finale was two weeks ago here in the states.

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Oh ... I totally forgot, anyone wants to I could have watched by my wife is on holiday, so I just completly forgot... I wouldn't watch it if it was up to me but this is the only TV series, (angel actually, buffy was really pathetic last two seasons) that I watched...

Doh.. so what happened?

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Here's the Starchild summary OneFoot:

I'm assuming you've seen up to End of Days. Anyway, Buffy slices Caleb again (into two sections!) and she and Angel manage to have a mature discussion about her history with relationships in which she realises she doesn't have to get them perfect right now. He gives her an amulet meant to be worn by a champion with a soul who is more than human. Buffy plans to give it to Spike and convinces Angel to head back to L.A. to set up a second front against the First Evil in case Sunnydale falls.

Buffy heads home and finds Dawn there instead of being miles away with Xander. Buffy realises Dawn's not going to go away and remarks "Fine, but if you get killed I'm telling." She heads to be basement and gives the amulet to Spike. With her room being taken up by a recovering Faith, she spends the night with Spike. In the middle of the night, she wakes up and walks over to the window, staring at what may be the last night before the Apocalypse. The First Evil appears in the form of Caleb and begins to taunt Buffy about how it's coming army will sweep the world and make it's will flesh. Buffy hits back with her usual witty comebacks until the First takes on her form.

The First sarcastically recounts the Slayer legend. One girl, all alone in her generation, standing alone against the darkness. "There's that word again. Alone. Where's your witty comeback?" it remarks. Buffy, for the first time, is silent. The First disappears.

In the morning, Buffy gathers the potential Slayers, Faith, Willow, Xander, Dawn, Giles, Robin, Anya, Spike, and Andrew. She launches into a speech about choice and offers the girls one.

They head off to the highschool to mount a pre-emptive assualt on the Hellmouth. The civilians (ie, anyone not a Slayer, potential Slayer, vampire or a witch) takes up positions to battle the Turok-Han when they get out. Giles and Robin take one hallway, Xander and Dawn another, and Andrew and Anya the last one. Kennedy and Willow set up magical emblems in the Principal's office, which is directly above the Hellmouth and the Seal of Darthanzar. Buffy, Faith, and the other potentials gather around the seal and use their blood to open it. They descend into the cavern beneath Sunnydale where the Hellmouth is at it's strongest. Quite quickly, the Turok-Han notice them and begin to charge forward.

Meanwhile, Willow has the scythe and is doing deep, powerful magicks on it. See, Buffy realised something after the First taunted her. She's defeatable because she's alone. Only one Slayer can be brushed aside and it's only one Slayer because thousands of years ago, a bunch of old men tied a girl to the ground and infected her with the strength of a demon. The Shadowmen, who turned into the Watchers, wanted a weapon against the demons but not one that could in turn be stronger than they were. So they made just one Slayer, knowing that one young girl could be easily controlled. However, one Slayer isn't a rule set in stone. The existance of Faith shows that there can be more than one Slayer at a time and it's only the magicks of a bunch of dead men that stops that.

Willow is stronger than all those men put together. Willow taps into the power of the Slayer that flows through the scythe and liberates it. In an instant, the rules change completely. No longer will there be only one girl in every generation who will be the Slayer. Now, every girl who could be will be a Slayer. Around the world, girls feel the power blossoming in them. Instead of a solitary Slayer, there will be a Sisterhood of Slayers. An army to stand against the darkness.

The newly created Slayers start battling the Turok-Han but a few manage to slip by into the highschool above. The Slayers, while achieving an impressive kill ratio, aren't simply killing enough of the thousands of Turok-Han. Buffy gets stabbed through the stomach and falls down, staring directly into the dead eyes of another dead Slayer. The First returns to taunt her and Buffy rises to her feet and starts to slice and dice Turok-Han.

Above ground, the First is clearly worried as it has gotten its Bringers to enter the fight as well. Robin gets sliced across the stomach. Anya gets cut from neck to hip by a Bringer and falls down dead. In the Hellmouth, the amulet worn by Spike, a gift to Angel by Wolfram and Hart, starts to burn him. A bolt of pure light shoots out and incinerates the Turok-Han. More light pours out and the Slayers flee as the ground starts to shake and cave in. Buffy pauses to tell Spike she loves him, to which he smiles and says, "I know you don't mean it. But it's nice to hear it." Buffy leaves him as the light encompasses Spike and he burns to ashes.

The surviving Slayers, Willow, Andrew, Giles, Robin, Xander, Dawn have boarded a school bus and are fleeing the collapsing Sunnydale as fast as they can. Buffy has made it to the roof and is jumping from rooftop to rooftop before landing on the bus and holding on as it speeds out of a town falling into the ground. When they clear the city limits, they stop the bus and get out to look at what has happened. Sunnydale has collapsed, filling the Hellmouth and preventing it from ever opening again. The army of the First is defeated, and although the First itself cannot be defeated, it can no longer threaten the Slayer line. There are now thousands of Slayers around the world and the Scoobie gang realises they need guidance. Buffy is no longer alone and can finally have reconcilation between her two lives. She can be the Slayer but it's no longer a job for one. She can also go to college, have a job, fall in love, and lead a, relatively, normal life.

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Buffy was NOT pathetic the last two seasons... only in the last season did the show begin to veer towards patheticness.

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... only in the last season did the show begin to veer towards patheticness.
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Buffy, be definition, cannot be pathetic.

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Buh, the last season was great.

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You people have no taste what so ever. The 6th season was almost without exception complete crap. They even topped off the festival of crap with the worst group of villians ever.

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Sixth Season > *

Well, okay, it's not that great. I am just saying that disagree with DinoDoc.

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I emphatically disagree with Dino. How can you dislike a season with OMWF, Tabula Rasa, Life Serial, and DoubleMeat Palace?

OK, well maybe I'm kidding a little with that last one. But seriously, Season 6 was great, possibly my favorite Buffy season ever.

Season 7, however, made me hold my nose.

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presumably it finished cos all its original fan base have now grown up.

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Did you ever watch the show regularly, Andy?

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you must be joking

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How is a question a joke? Did you watch it?

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Season 1 was the background season. It established the framework of the Buffyverse and laid the ground rules.

Season 2 is the love vs duty season. The major arc, ie, Angelus, was about Buffy's love of Angel vs her duty to kill Angelus. In the end, duty prevailed and Angel met the pointy end of a sword. As we've seen so often before, Buffy then fled to L.A. to try and escape her destiny. She never would come to terms with what it means to be the Slayer until Season 5 and only truly accepts her role in Season 7.

Season 3 is the season of graduating. Mainly highschool but also graduating into your role in life. Willow starts to move deeper into magic, setting herself up as the future most powerful witch in the Western Hemisphere. Buffy rejects Faith's philosophy of being better than normal people and grounds herself firmly in the idea that a Slayer is a protector (class protector umbrella. awww). Giles rejects the Council's cold logic in favour of his own love for Buffy. Great contrast between Buffy and Giles vs Faith and the Mayor (I for one do believe the Mayor cared for Faith in his own way). Angel and Cordelia even get in on it, both realising that the life they wanted isn't possible and accept that Sunnydale is no longer the place for them.

Season 4 was the season about growing apart. The Scoobies had less time together in this season than in any other. The metaphor of Adam, a demon-human-machine hybrid (literally all parts brought together) vs the increasingly fragmented Buffy Gang sums up Season 4. The gang had to really come together (Sumerian speaking UberSlayer spell!) to defeat Adam. Restless was an outstanding episode that explored Slayer mythology, introducing questions that we wouldn't get answered until Season 7 (DreamAdam: "All creatures get angry. Though you and I come to it by other means." Buffy: "We're not demons." DreamAdam: "Is that a fact?") and set up the opening for Season 5.

Season 5 is about growing up and accepting responsibility. Xander settles down with a steady job and girlfriend. Willow accepts her sexuality and confidence in magic. Buffy finds her life altered beyond compare and instead of whining about it or trying to find a way to de-alter it, she accepts the fact. When the time comes, Buffy makes the ultimate sacrifice and embraces her destiny.

Season 6 is summed up as "life hurts." Buffy's torn out of heaven, Willow loses Tara, Dawn's being ignored, Xander breaks Anya and his heart, it's all here! Pain all around and the lesson is, you can't give into that pain (cue Buffy just going through the motions or evilWillow) but you've got to rise above it and reconnect with people you care about and who care about you (yellow crayon!). The Geeks are nothing more than a nuisance. In any other season, Buffy could have slapped them aside but in this one, she was so focused on her own pain that three nerds nearly defeat her. If you get consumed by your pain, you'll be tripped up by the smallest things. Nice touch showing how human evil is perhaps the worst of all. Warren, with one gun, caused more mayhem than anyone (even the mighty Glory!) did with all their evil plans.

Season 7 was all about the metaphysics of Buffy. The origins of the Slayer, the nature of evil, the difference between using and abusing magic. I thrive off mythos so I loved it. We got it all answered in this season. The link between the Slayers and demons, the origins of the Watchers, the insidious nature of the First (in the hearts of every man, woman, and child.). Ooooh, twas nice.

Of course, questions are still unanswered. With thousands of new Slayers, who is going to train and guide them so we don't end up with a dozen Faiths in the world? What's happened to the First? Is Dawn still the Key in human form or is the a human who used to be the Key?

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Thanks Starchild... that was great, at least I know how it finished... personally I thought she died... but well I guess they couldn't have killed her, perhaps she will be in angel now and than

Yes I watched all the seasons, mostly on tape, or on TV but basically season 6 and 7 sucked from my perspective, and even Angel gets a dull episode now and than as opposed to the first two seasons, but the latest few were great again... I thought that angel is getting sloppy too in the middle of this season, but than they got his soul out and the interest and enemies are back on track now this is just my 2c...

just to say exactly all that relationship stuff was too dull... started with Groosilak leaving Cordie, than Cordie loves Angel, comes back but slleps with his son , Wes with - what was her name W&H girl, Wes actually from a fun guy at the beginning transformed into a "super hero guy" that still is in love with Fred who actually splits up with Gun because of the mad professor killing... good that they haven't had a threesome with Lorne... I mean that was too much distraction from a normally fun apocalyptic plots... as they have lost the idea what to film about... but luckily they almost killed Cordie and killed W&H girl, they are all nice and single again, and have fun with some monsters... if I wanted to watch a relationship show I'd stick with Home and Away or the Coronation Street... but they are going to the roots again around now

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Buffy, while good, is still a load of moral relativist, subjective BS that we have had forced down our throats for years in the form of Star Wars, Superman, Bat man, etc etc, the whole good vs evil, good guys vs the evil bad guys who can do no right and only exist to hurt and all the other subjective BS one expects when forced into an ethnocentric role.

The only series that showed hope of escaping that was Star Trek Voyager and Enterprise, but we'll see how the latter turns out.

Nonetheless, the Buffy thing, for what it is, is still very well made and produced, and kudos to the writers, if not their philosophies.

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In simple terms, forcing down our throats the notion of good vs evil, and not mentioning that such concepts are inherently fallacious, simply minded, simplistic and largely irrelevant in this post spanish inquisition era.

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In simple terms, forcing down our throats the notion of good vs evil, and not mentioning that such concepts are inherently fallacious,
Then where did you get the rant about "moral relativist, subjective BS" rather than ranting about objective morality when it sounds like you actually believe in moral relativist, subjective BS?

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Maybe he doesn't really know what he's talking about?

Bet he'll also argue that the following terms are not opinions, but objective fact:

"inherently fallacious, simply minded, simplistic and largely irrelevant"

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Elijah, you are hurting our cause when you confuse the name of our cause with that of the enemy.

Actually, Buffy was very light-hearted and self-mocking about the whole Good vs. Evil silliness.

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Hmmm...small kind of unrelated question: How did Babylon 5 and ST: DS9 end? I *NEVER* caught the series finales of these two, and have always been pissed about it. Can anyone fill me in?

 
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