13-06-2003 05:02									#1
	A Plea From Vox Tired of ads?

Beta tried to send this to Togas as well, but his PM in-box was full.

quote: Hi Togas. Can you please distribute to the other RP'rs who will be there tonight. Muchos gracias, sire! June 12 Chat - Backgrounder I thought it would be useful to distribute some points prior to the chat to save time for discussion. To start with - here is the peace deal we offered to GS: - they get south Estonia - we gift Dissidentville to them- - we do a public mea culpa - Beta to do that. - we post a public non-agression pact with GS into the next era. Jon to do this - we will provide engineering in approx 15 turns. -we provide our free tech going into the next era. -we will not attack Inchon -we are allowed to safely evacuate all our troops from South Estonia - this includes Harry and his gang trapped on the mountains in the SE. As a show of good will - they will move down to tha plains where they will be easy targets. (We did this and the units were eliminated.) -and ask if they want to move Inchon - maybe two tiles south. They will still get the prime enhanced grassland tiles - but our cultural borders will not be overlapping. -we also agreed to forfeit any access to iron, as a commitment to future non-aggression This was rejected by GS. However - they still put a peace deal back up on the screen, and we sent back the deal unaccepted, with Dissidentville added. That was the same turn they eliminated our Immortals who basically left themselves undefended. They were damaged and would have eventually gone down. We are told the GS hawks out-number the doves. We are also told that our deception going into this wear was just too good, and they don't feel they could ever trust us. They are willing to give us some limited time to get off of North Estonia, but they do not want us to stay. They want the entire continent. So - now - GS has landed 7 units in North Estonia. But the good news is that they did not reinforce Inchon. We can take Inchon this turn or next. But we do not have many units in North Estonia. It will be a scramble to defend against the intruders. What we propose is that: 1. Vox publicly post our peace proposal. This will make it look like we are trying to win over world opinion and that you are all still sitting on the fence. 2. This will hopefully protect the RP galley which is now in amongst the GS galleys to avoid being taken out on the GS move. 3. RP land its two horsemen on North Estonia - at a spot to be determined. This will depend on what GS does with its troops. We hope they will attack Elipolis which will keep them further south. The attackers of Inchon will soon be there. 4. RP land its other two units asap. 5. GoW land its 4 committed units (btw - we will provide RoP's to RP and GoW). 6. At the same time as landing the units - and once RP's galley is safe - GoW, RP, and Lego all declare their support for Vox in messages to GS. I suspect this may be sufficient to make them think twice about this. Also - our GA has just ended so GS' will end shortly as well. This turn or next. The good side of this plan is that it does not involve major troop commitments. But GS does not need to know that. The downside is if they call the bluff. By then we will have ringed North Estonia to prevent landings - and loaded all our troops into Elipolis. There may be political fall out for the three of you - but I don't think GS could risk that level of isolation. Even with NeuD not at the table. Where do they stand on this by the way? The strong, silent types. The hint of a future tech trade embargo would be something to think about. You could all convince them that Vox is like a little child which has learned its lesson and will sit in its corner for the rest of the game. But the big concern to all of us is if GS does get the entire continent. I think it will be easier standing up to them now than after they have developed all of Estonia. See you in the chat. .... Beta.

	13-06-2003 05:16									#2
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

I think we can safely do this on the grounds that we are protecting Vox from being extincted by GS; we also state, in no uncertain terms, that the coaliton of 5 teams feels that Vox should be able to retain it's current land holdings in the North as none of the other teams would care to give their appointed lands to Vox.

Of course Lego and Vox has alternative plans for re-settling Vox Somewhere in lego's NorthWest, but that does us no good against GS in the future.

And only on the condition that Lego, ND, and GoW also agree to this.

All of those theams have been invited to join us in a chat at 9PM EDT in #TigerTalks Kitty (Poly's server)

ND has agreed to give Vox Horses and would likely voice support for Vox as would Lego, the question is whether GoW would do so and whether we would too.

ND wants to time it's trade of Horses to Vox to coincide with our trade of Iron to them, as a show of solidarity.

If we can get all 5 teams to voice support of Vox and Have GoW and RP land toops there, as requested by Vox, I think GS would back down from it's plans of taking all of Estonia.

I think this would be the best for Spain right now. We don't commit that much to the war and we assure ourselves of getting Engineering form Vox and we also secure the deal of getting Theology from Lego. I say we switch from asking for Chiv from Lego to asking for The Republic and 100 gold. We now know that Lego is not researching Chivalry, but is researching Education in order to get to Music Theory. It is a part of Lego's back-up plan to build St. Bachs Cathedral if they fail to get the Sistine Chappel.

	13-06-2003 08:07									#3
	Increase the size of your Attachments

After a long chat where representatives of Vox, Lego, GoW, and us were there, the following was decided/agreed upon:

Betahound is going to post their surrender proposal and GS's response to it (by killing their troops), and then ask for the support of the world behind the Vox initiated peace plan.

All of us are going to voice our support for the plan and for peace.

GoW is going to send troops to Vox (peacekeepers).

Vox wants us to land horsemen as well. I told Beta I was not convinced it was a good idea, but that I would give it some time to think about it.

Vox will keep fighting until peace is settled.

We will give Vox iron in a turn or two, and then will immediately upgrade and then CUT IT so that GS will not ever be able to trace the source or prove that it was given to them.

ND will give horses about the same time. (according to BigFree, ND was not present).

If GS will not agree to peace, we may threaten force or intervention, in agreement with GoW and Lego. However, we will certainly not be attacking GS.

And the talk of a League of Nations has returned. We all were very much in support of it.

Bottom line, Vox is going to post a public address. We are going to get behind them in public. We have promised no other actions at this time.

--Togas

	13-06-2003 15:01									#4
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

I had an impromtu chat with GS just now, they were trying to head off any sympathy for Vox while I was trying to buy some time for Vox to cover their cities in the North.

Here's the chat: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...885#post2086885