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Jun 1999
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As to the original question, it's about the same way people can buy "Made in China" or "Made in Vietnam" things and be opposed to communism...*shrug*
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Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Why, is your idea of communism some grey, drab place?
It is certainly possible that a Disneyland-esque holiday destination exists in a communist country. The best thing is it's probably free for all. |
actually yes. isnt it to each according to his need? u hardly need disneyland.
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Or something like that. I mean, if you're gonna be a communist, then renounce capitalism! |
By embargoing it? Come now....One person cannot possibly be expected to change things, least of all DISNEYWORLD by NOT GOING 
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It's because they're armchair communists only. |
More drivel from Cali. How surprising 
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How can you believe in a political system that has failed so completely the times it has been tried? |
Examples? True communism has never been tried....and probably won't be tried for quite a while. Humans are not evolved enough yet to achieve it.
Socialism has already been tried and been sucessful. Simply go to Europes cheney, and you'll see. 
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It is a joke and in the end makes the people suffer. |
Shall we get into a discussion about FACISM, Fez? Your hardly one to be critisizing another viewpoint about making people suffer when your own.....
And yes, the cheney of europe is REALLY suffering from a massive dictatorship. Yep 
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Well the only problem I have is I can't possibly see how communism could ever function properly. |
Thats because you dont open your mind. AND before you say your open minded.....Just look at my sig. Basically: I listen to others, but won't consider their viewpoints at all.
Your worse than Ned, Fez....Well ok, maybe I'm stretching it there
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Capitalism will always outpace Communism (every form of it) in my honest opinion. |
UN Standards of living.....
I guess Kofi dreams of tall, norsk women
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Worst of all, why do they treat the working class like lepers? |
I didn't know that communists treated the working class like lepers. In that case, it must mean they treat the capitalist class like family.....And because capitalism is opposite of communism, the CAPITALISTS treat the workers like family.....
So all this rucus about Enron is because its a COMMUNIST company
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actually yes. isnt it to each according to his need? u hardly need disneyland. |
That's a very extreme form of communism. In fact, the mormons (sort of) practice such a form of communism. Ugh
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yavoon
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both mormons and communists supposedly live idealogically. but the road they use to get their is pretty radically different.
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yavoon
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Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Who are you to tell who needs what? |
hahahahahhaha. well if those are the rules of determining needs then I guess everyone is communist. the rich ppl just need more things!
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Originally posted by MrFun
,,,And for the one or two people who made a fallicious assumption that I meant that communists need to carry out terrorists attacks -- no, I am not saying communists need to violently be consistent with their ideology.
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OK, fair enough. I looked too deeply into your question.
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Nov 2001
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Originally posted by MrFun
Ok -- so communists do not think it is unethical or hypocritical to enjoy the LUXURIES of capitalism?
And for the one or two people who made a fallicious assumption that I meant that communists need to carry out terrorists attacks -- no, I am not saying communists need to violently be consistent with their ideology.
I just thought they needed to boycott luxuries of capitalism, that's all. |
It wholly depends of your definition of "luxury". If for you, luxury equates everything that is not vital (i.e a computer, a car, entertainment etc.), then yes, it is ethical for a communist to enjoy himself in the economic society he's forced to live in for now. Because these non-vital things still are very helpful to live correctly.
If for you, "luxury" are wholly superfluous things which have to do with showing your financial affluence (diamonds and the likes), indeed, it is hypocritical: How come you didn't give this money to the party !? 
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The Templar
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People's Republic of the East Village
Oct 2001
time: 00:28
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Originally posted by Odin
Actually, Communism does not require a command economy, which the USSR has showed is way too inefficient, if a bussiness is a Co-op it would be communist and free market, the best of both worlds.   |
Odin, you are making the same mistake DinoDoc did (but in a more roundabout way). Communism (like capitalism) is an economic system not a political system. Communism assigns entitlements (ownership of resources) in a communal fashion as opposed to a private property system. There is no reason to think that democracy and capitalism go hand in hand. A captalist system would be an anti-democratic imposition when the vast majority of the people prefered communal ownership. Likewise, a democratic communist nation could allow for all sorts of political contention without questioning the basic system of ownership.
IMO, the fall of the Soviet Union was due not to a centrally controlled economy, but rather to the political failure of their totalitarian regime. The Soviets lacked any meaningful checks and balances on different agencies and branches of government. Thus, when things failed there was no branch to check the excesses. Starvation in the Ukraine? No judiciary to go to to plead for relief, no legislator to appeal to. Afghanistan invasion failing? No channels through which antiwar opposition could put pressure on the policymakers.
I would argue that the US has done well because the political system of checks and balances has allowed us to do well in spite of capitalism.
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Apr 1999
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Mr. Fun, I'm pretty far from being a Communist, but I'll give answering the question a go:
I think it's a simple matter of lacking the courage of their convictions.
It's easy to *say* you're a communist (though why you'd want to say as much is something of a mystery to me, given its dismal track record), while posting on the internet from your privately owned computer, just before jetting off to Disney Land next month. It's not nearly so easy to actually live it (especially in the face of the constant pressures of all the evil capitalist empires out there).
Of course, the Commies will be quick to say that it (Communism) never really got a fair shake, on account of all the dictators who co-opted their perfect little world (Stalin-ism, Mao-ism, insertyourfavoritetinpotdictatorhere-ism), without acknowledging that flaws in the system (or as they prefer to say, flaws in humanity) are what makes the dictator's rise to power not only possible, but also pre-determined! Even better, they'll tell you that the reason it hasn't worked so far is because it was designed to be a global system, and if we'd all just try it out, magically, everything would fall into place (nevermind the fact that if it doesn't work on a small scale there's ZERO reason to expect it to be scalable, but that's another matter).
So at the end of the day, who can blame you? How much conviction can you really PUT into something with the kind of track record that Communism has?
-=Vel=-
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Mar 2003
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Originally posted by Velociryx
Mr. Fun, I'm pretty far from being a Communist, but I'll give answering the question a go:
I think it's a simple matter of lacking the courage of their convictions.
It's easy to *say* you're a communist (though why you'd want to say as much is something of a mystery to me, given its dismal track record), while posting on the internet from your privately owned computer, just before jetting off to Disney Land next month. It's not nearly so easy to actually live it (especially in the face of the constant pressures of all the evil capitalist empires out there).
Of course, the Commies will be quick to say that it (Communism) never really got a fair shake, on account of all the dictators who co-opted their perfect little world (Stalin-ism, Mao-ism, insertyourfavoritetinpotdictatorhere-ism), without acknowledging that flaws in the system (or as they prefer to say, flaws in humanity) are what makes the dictator's rise to power not only possible, but also pre-determined! Even better, they'll tell you that the reason it hasn't worked so far is because it was designed to be a global system, and if we'd all just try it out, magically, everything would fall into place (nevermind the fact that if it doesn't work on a small scale there's ZERO reason to expect it to be scalable, but that's another matter).
So at the end of the day, who can blame you? How much conviction can you really PUT into something with the kind of track record that Communism has?
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It's not about that at all. It's about living long enough to see the true reality, and knowing enough that there is no reason to punish yourself; capitalism will fall on it's own whether we go to disneyland or not. Oh, and if your not old enough to see that hey.... well, you know.
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