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johndmuller
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Capitol Hill, Colony of DC
Feb 2001
time: 00:28
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Ming, it might help even more if you told us what the hotbutton here was; the FAQ just has a list of file types (which I presume is enforced by the upload process) and the phrase "NO ILLEGAL FILES". I wouldn't have thought that Googlie was the type to casually flout your rules, so he probably just wasn't on the same page as you (unless this godhood thing just went to his head) {or} (unless the Googster wanted to show us mortals that he was just regular people too by getting banned).
Not knowing whether there was a history here or how obviously inappropriate the offending material might have been and not knowing whether there is some other place where the rules are spelled out better (If so, shouldn't it be at least referenced in the FAQ?), I couldn't say for sure whether a warning might have been more reasonable than a banning, but for the rest of us, perhaps some further explanation, either of this case or of the relevant part of the rules might be in order.
BTW, it seems that I've experienced contradictory behavior when attempting to acquire files that have been uploaded; I haven't meticulously documented this and I'm not sure I remember the exact outcomes, but I am pretty sure that sometimes the link must be right-clicked and sometimes left-clicked in order to get the file downloaded, although both methods look like they are supposed to work. Maybe there are multiple ways to upload things and different approaches lead to different results when downloading, who knows. Maybe there is yet a third way which leads to inappropriate content being substituted for the legitimate material too.
How secure are these files anyway - it appears that anyone can read material given its filename and the paths to all the files follow an obvious pattern, so if you knew the name of a file and whose area it was in, you could access it. That's probably not a problem, but if someone can get a directory listing too, that would be a problem (the security here is good enough to resist my inexpert token attempts). Of course, uploading files in someone else's name would be a problem too (might even get someone banned), but one would expect that to be covered (but since Googlie got banned, maybe not).
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panag
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MY WORDS ARE BACKED WITH BIO-CHEMICAL WEAPONS
Oct 2000
time: 07:28
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Originally posted by alva
True DC (and Ming), but the fact that more members are (a little?) confused, should in itself mean that there is room for improvent regarding the FAQ. (see Panag's first question for example)
If we can prevent these things from happening again, surely you will agree that, that would be a win-win situation for both the owners/mods and for the members (especially those who had no deliberate foul-play in mind). |
hi ,
its just a suggestion , it could be a nice exception to the rules , .....
the problem is that some people did somethings on purpose , ..... when a mod or owner gives you a warning and explains something , ones , twice , then dont come and complain when you are banned because you did it again , ... 
have a nice day
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alva
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Republic of Flanders
Sep 2001
time: 06:28
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Ok Ming, I'll bite one last time (read: try to convince you  )
If you would moderate by the (Apolyton) letter, I'm sure you could restrict everyone at least once a day, but you don't.
You as do other mods go by the spirit of the rules (at it should be, wouldn't really be fun to be here, if you wouldn't, I guess ).
Now taking that to the upload faq, to me (and probably many others) the illegal part means (no warez, no porn, no advertising etc., IE use your common sence and don't do anything that could get this site into any kind of trouble), so if you go by spirit, I think most people will have thought that the occasional pictures of a pet would be acceptable.
So even if the rules are clear, there is still room for confusion 
The related games part is something else;
I always assumed that since I thought that even modified files fall under some kind of copyright right, where by nature illegal (grey are ).
So my thinking was that Apo had some kind of deal going with the compaginies of the featured games and thus were allowed.
Hence the confusion
Illegal (warez etc) : NO
illegal(?) but related : ok
Not related but legal : ok
And yes, I had read them before (when Markos banned the first batch when this feature was introduced (which btw where more related to...warez IIRC)), I never studied them, but I did read them.
Anyway, it's an executive decision and not ours to 'protest' against, but like I said, if making it 'extra-special-ultra-style' clear will help prevent further mistakes from happening, then I think it is at least worthwhile to consider it.
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Martin Gühmann
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Berlin, Germany
Mar 2001
time: 06:28
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quote:
Originally posted by alva
The related games part is something else;
I always assumed that since I thought that even modified files fall under some kind of copyright right, where by nature illegal (grey are ).
So my thinking was that Apo had some kind of deal going with the compaginies of the featured games and thus were allowed.
Hence the confusion
Illegal (warez etc) : NO
illegal(?) but related : ok
Not related but legal : ok |
Of course there is a copyright issure, but the companies who don't accept mods are rare. And actual those rare companies are very stupid, because the availibility of a lot of mods of a game increases its replayability. That means the game attracts more people and if more people want to play the game they can sell more copies of the game. So if they sell more copies they earn more money. So there are even companies who allows the custome to modify the game for instance to use text files to describe the properties of units, buildings, tile improvements, terrain, goods, governments, ai strategies, ai personalities, orders, etc... And ive the user a powerfull script language, so that it is possible to modell complex events, like huge slave uprises that makes cities change their owners...
So these modified files are accepted by those companies who made the games that are covered on Apolyton.
-Martin
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15-06-2003 17:36
tell us when Googlie will be back? He's the CMN of our current ACDG, so he's kind of a crucial person.
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