17-06-2003 14:32									#1
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What is the meaning of the EU flag?

The stars do NOT represent the individual member states, since officially the EU flag only has 12 stars, not 15 (nor 25 soon). 12 stars were also shown in pre EU days when the EC had less than 12 states.

Protestant wackos believe it represents the Virgin Mary (and with it, allegiance to the Catholic church), and/or it's a reference to Revelations 12:1 (or something like that). Of course, the EU is the New Roman Empire, ruled the anti-christ (Pope), and the evidence (apart from the supposed meaning of the flag) is that it's founding treaty is the Treaty of Rome, the absence of God in the draft Constitution, the rapid secularisation in European societies, and of course the Vatican (also in Rome) deciding to adopt the euro.

Utter bullcrap of course.

But what exactly is the real meaning of the flag? I always believed each star repressented a single member nation, but that's not the case (12 stars, 15 members). Does someone have some information on this?

	17-06-2003 14:34									#2
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It's a reference to the 12 Tribes of Isreal, symbol of a strong union.

there was also another interpretation IIRC

	17-06-2003 14:35									#3
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The founding members of the Union in 1992/1993 were 12. Convenient as the symbol was taken from the Council of Europe, which had it also based on its 12 founding members back in the 1950s, IIRC.

	17-06-2003 14:41									#4
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It's a reference to the 12 Tribes of Isreal

the 12 tribes of Israel? for real?

The founding members of the Union in 1992/1993 were 12.

I believe the EC also used the same flag before 1992, and before it had 12 members.

	17-06-2003 14:45									#5
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If they used it before, it wasn't official. But you're right, they adopted in 1986 already, but just as it were 12.

http://www.europa.eu.int/abc/symbol...em/index_en.htm

	17-06-2003 15:39									#6
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so why didn't they change it to 15?

	17-06-2003 15:41									#7
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Because 12 is a symbol of perfection, and the old Council of Europe flag with its 12 stars has become a symbol for european integration.

	17-06-2003 16:39									#8
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Sounds fair enough, but I wish you had something to show the number of states currently in the empire.

Like....

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	17-06-2003 18:15									#9
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That's a crap idea Az!

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But better than the OTHER idea about the flag...

	17-06-2003 20:53									#11
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I love Az's Idea.
Arabic numbers and their multiplication logic are much more rational than stars and their addition logic.

Do we want to end up with a cluttered flag like the Yanks ? No.
The Arabic number is extremely elegant, and will be convenient once the EU spans on the whole world (except Turkey )

	17-06-2003 21:07									#12
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they should change the colours . yellow and blue is a hideous combination

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I think those two colours go well with eachother.

	17-06-2003 21:15									#14
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I think these are better :

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	17-06-2003 21:22									#15
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vetlegion had once made a nice one on the same idea. It was red and inside, with futuristic letters, the word "Eurocoms".

	17-06-2003 21:25									#16
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It's a reference to the thirteen original states of America minus Delaware, because Europe is united in it's hatred towards Delaware.

	17-06-2003 21:29									#17
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And for good reason.

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quote: Originally posted by HershOstropoler Because 12 is a symbol of perfection, and the old Council of Europe flag with its 12 stars has become a symbol for european integration.

the first 12 were the good members. The new ones are scum.

	17-06-2003 22:44									#19
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Why not 12 stripes for the founding members and than stars for each current member.

	17-06-2003 22:46									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Gangerolf they should change the colours . yellow and blue is a hideous combination

Navy Blue and Gold!

	17-06-2003 22:46									#21
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Is it true that original members of Poly continue to get posts for OT?

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maybe they chose blue and yellow because none of the member countries had that colour combination in their flags

the flag should be red, white & blue - the colours of freedom

	18-06-2003 03:57									#23
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	18-06-2003 04:09									#24
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I think we have a winner

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	04-07-2003 23:29									#25
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other suggestions?

	04-07-2003 23:33									#26
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I stille prefer mine. Red and Gold are the colours any real flag should have.

	04-07-2003 23:34									#27
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you're a commie?

	04-07-2003 23:40									#28
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I still prefer Stefu's helicopter-flag!

	04-07-2003 23:41									#29
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Number of countries the US single-handedly saved in WW2.

	04-07-2003 23:42									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Gangerolf you're a commie?

Yes.

quote: I still prefer Stefu's helicopter-flag!

What's that ?