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GO GO GO!
Mar 2001
time: 23:28
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Do you think even the right wing Fox news goes around telling the U.S. that the hijackers were Iraqis? |
Nah, I doubt it's that bad, but they are spreading the false "Saving Private Lynch" story. Just in case you didn't know:
One of Bush's advisors and key lobbyists to the British government, Irwin Stelzer, is a close consultant to Rupert Murdoch. John Ellis, a first cousin of Dubya and Jeb, was an election consultant for FOX News. He was responsible for Fox's declaration that Bush was the winner on November 7th, 2000. Also, Roger E. Ailes, a former Bush Sr. media coach, is the chairman of Fox News. He's also a close friend of top Bush advisor Karl Rove. Tony Snow, another Fox talking head, is a former Bush Sr. speechwriter. Jim Pinkerton, who also works for Fox, is a former Reagan and Bush Sr. staffer... and with all this, I'm sure there's more I don't know about.
The Bush admin has key contacts in the Fox family. For FOX viewers: You really should learn who's writing your news.
Last edited by Sava on 18-06-2003 at 18:12
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Which question?
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HershOstropoler
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Originally posted by DinoDoc
Why is the media to blame for people assuming things they never reported? |
Well they don't say "Iraqi links to Al Qaeda proven", it's a bit more subtle. Usual reporting goes like this:
"Government says Iraq has links to Al Qaeda"
"Government says Iraq has links to Al Qaeda"
"Government says Iraq has links to Al Qaeda"
"Government says Iraq has links to Al Qaeda"
"Government says Iraq has links to Al Qaeda"
"Government says Iraq has links to Al Qaeda"
"Government says Iraq has links to Al Qaeda"
"Government says Iraq has links to Al Qaeda"
"Government says Iraq has links to Al Qaeda"
"Op-Ed: Government has yet to prove its case on Iraq has links to Al Qaeda"
"Government says Iraq has links to Al Qaeda"
"Government says Iraq has links to Al Qaeda"
"Government says Iraq has links to Al Qaeda"
"Government says Iraq has links to Al Qaeda"
"Government continues to raise issue of Iraqi links to Al Qaeda"
"Government continues to raise issue of Iraqi links to Al Qaeda"
"Government continues to raise issue of Iraqi links to Al Qaeda"
"Government continues to raise issue of Iraqi links to Al Qaeda"
"Government continues to raise issue of Iraqi links to Al Qaeda"
"Government continues to raise issue of Iraqi links to Al Qaeda"
"Government continues to raise issue of Iraqi links to Al Qaeda"
"Some doubt government claims on Iraqi links to Al Qaeda"
"Government continues to raise issue of Iraqi links to Al Qaeda"
"Government continues to raise issue of Iraqi links to Al Qaeda"
"Government continues to raise issue of Iraqi links to Al Qaeda"
"Government continues to raise issue of Iraqi links to Al Qaeda"
"Government continues to raise issue of Iraqi links to Al Qaeda"
"Government continues to raise issue of Iraqi links to Al Qaeda"
"Government continues to raise issue of Iraqi links to Al Qaeda"
And then you wonder why the casual observer believes that Iraq had links to Al Qaeda.
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HershOstropoler
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My copy and paste powers are stunning!
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HershOstropoler
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Originally posted by Q Cubed
oh, please, hersh.
it's more like this:
"Government says Iraq has links to Al Qaeda"
"Rumsfeld suggests Iraq has links to Al Qaeda"
"Bush Administration hints at Al Qaeda-Iraq links"
"Cheney, Bush reiterate threat of Iraq, Al Qaeda"
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Feel free to adapt my post. I just couldn't be arsed to use more than two variants.
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DinoDoc
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AECCP loves Democracy
Sep 1999
time: 23:28
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Originally posted by Big Crunch
Are trying to be ironic, |
No. I just find it amusing that che & co. are complaining about the media not reporting facts when someone had to tell them these facts.
I also find all of this wierd in light of Gatekeeper's post.
Last edited by DinoDoc on 18-06-2003 at 19:30
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Defiant
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WISCONSIN
Aug 1999
time: 05:28
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Sava,
Go back and read your own report. The "SD" never says it gave intelligence on how to make or create WMD.
"1980
The U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) asserted in a report that Iraq has been ‘actively acquiring’ Chemical Weapons [CW] capacities since the mid-1970s.[2]"
Where does it say we are giving it to them?????
Here it says we knew about it but it didn't say we gave it to them. Big difference, don't you think?
"1983
A SD report concluded that Iraq continued to support groups on the SD’s terrorist list.[5]
Iraq reportedly began using chemical weapons (CW) against Iranian troops in 1982, and significantly increased CW use in 1983. Reagan’s Secretary of State, George Shultz, said that reports of Iraq using CWs on Iranian military personnel "drifted in" at the year’s end.[6] A declassified CIA report, probably written in late 1987, notes Iraq's use of mustard gas in August 1983, giving further credence to the suggestion that the SD and/or National Security Council (NSC) was well aware of Iraq's use of CW at this time.[7]"
Here's what your beloved LIBERAL Washington Post says
"According to the Washington Post, the CIA began in 1984 secretly to give Iraq intelligence that Iraq uses to "calibrate" its mustard gas attacks on Iranian troops. In August, the CIA establishes a direct Washington-Baghdad intelligence link, and for 18 months, starting in early 1985, the CIA provided Iraq with "data from sensitive U.S. satellite reconnaissance photography...to assist Iraqi bombing raids." The Post’s source said that this data was essential to Iraq’s war effort.[17]
To calibrate, even that slimy liberal paper didn't say we gave it to them. It said we showed him how to attack the Iranian troops, big whoopeeeee.
Your overview:
One study lists 207 firms from 21 countries that contributed to Iraq’s non-conventional weapons program during and after the Iran-Iraq war. E.g., West German (86); British (18); Austrian (17); French (16); Italian (12); Swiss (11); and American (18).[64]
Geee, we are such the bad guys in the world.
Like I said we helped to level the battlefield, it was his choice to use them and he already was. And now he paid for it.
Go back and find something more substantial, and try to stay away from the Washington Post, super commie paper.
Q-
This is what I meant by farm club.
Templar, your logo says it all.
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Q Cubed
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t3h y3ll0w p3ril
Apr 1999
time: 23:28
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defiant, it's not the political views that i took issue with. it's the deliberate condescending tone that you took with sava. now, sava might not always be wrong, but that doesn't mean that his viewpoints are irrelevant.
i find it amusing that we're demonizing the french more than the germans for selling to the iraqis... when we ourselves helped more than the french...
one thing to note, ari fleischer recently mentioned that when bush says "weapons of mass destruction" and when he says "programs for the development of weapons of mass destruction", he means the same thing and uses them interchangeably. now, i don't pretend to be an expert in the vagaries of the english language, but that strikes me as saying that guns and gun factories are the same thing.
if he really is using them interchangeably, that's really odd, and something that one ought to learn to correct. otherwise, it smacks of a sneaky way to revise history--the same thing he is now accusing his critics of.
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Defiant
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WISCONSIN
Aug 1999
time: 05:28
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Sava,
Then find it, just don't say it, why should we believe you, and I am really waiting for the story of how the Bush's got rich off of Nazism. Did you ever consider writing fictional novels?
Again, who cares what military equipment we sold Iraq, big deal, France sold Exocets to Argentina and Argentina used one to smoke a British ship in the war, should England kick the snot our of France. Selling Military equipment is a part of life and big business. When you read where Turkey has so many f-16's and so does Greece, where do think they are getting those weapons, it's not about being sold them, it is what you do with them that dictates what other nations will preceive you in the world picture.
Again, such limited thinking.
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18-06-2003 11:34
I know those, but "artillery balloons" conjured an image of a really ineffective weapon that got sent flying back by the recoil.
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