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chegitz guevara is offline chegitz guevara
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The Philadelphia Inquirer reports today on the utter failure of the media to inform the American public.

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A third of the American public believes U.S. forces have found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, according to a recent poll. Twenty-two percent said Iraq actually used chemical or biological weapons.

But such weapons have not been found in Iraq and were not used.

Before the war, half of those polled in a survey said Iraqis were among the 19 hijackers on Sept. 11, 2001. But most of the Sept. 11 terrorists were Saudis; none was an Iraqi.

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Before the war, the U.S. media often reported as a fact the assertions by the Bush administration that Iraq possessed large stockpiles of illegal weapons.

During and after the war, reports of possible weapons discoveries were often trumpeted on front pages, while follow-up stories debunking the reports received less attention.


Lest anyone try and tell me about those two "mobile WMD" trucks:

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An official British investigation into two trailers found in northern Iraq has concluded they are not mobile germ warfare labs, as was claimed by Tony Blair and President George Bush, but were for the production of hydrogen to fill artillery balloons, as the Iraqis have continued to insist.


Hydrogen gas . . . biological weapons? FARTMAN!

From the (London) Observer.

Mmmhmmm, yes, our media is sooo liberal that they've really lit a fire under the Bush Administration. Yep, any day now he should be impeached because of the damning information they've gotten out to the American public.

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It's sad. And thanks to Colin Powell's son, the FCC Chairman, it's going to get worse as media conglomerates get bigger.

I hope this is just all a bad dream.

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own goal.

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You know a cartoonist is good when they have to write the name of their subject across their pants.

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good point Sloww... we impeached a president for lying about a BJ, what should we do with the one who lied about war?

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If you would pull your head out, just for a couple of minutes, you'd MAYBE recognize that it wasn't all about WMD.
Even if it was, your point hasn't been proven; but it wasn't.

But you keep that narrow focus.
That's what you're best at doing.

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You hear that folks... "it wasn't all about WMD"

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Sava. You been in a coma?
I know you didn't think this was one issue only.
Surely not.

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I don't know SLowwy, I watch quite a bit of CNN, MSNBC, and yes, even Fox... and I recall, every other day before the war..

"He's a threat to America"
"He's got stockpiles of WMDs"
etcetera...

Remember Powell's presentation?

Sorry, attempts to backtrack lies will fail.

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Up until the eve of the war, the Bush Administration focused almost solely on WMD and Saddam being a threat to the U.S. and his neighbors. Didn't you see his State of the Union, in which Bush used a false bit of information (Iraq attempting to acquire uranium) to scare people into supporting the war? How about Colin Powell's presentation to the UN?

There were no links to Al Queda established, so the terrorism line fell flat as well.

The "liberating Iraqis" line didn't emerge until we were just about ready to roll into the country. Don't let revisionism fool you.

Now, I agree that even the Administration didn't believe the war was about WMDs (hence their lies about them). It was about carrying out the Wolfowitz doctrine for American hegemony in the ME.

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of course it wasn't. but the administration--and the conservative pundits--hammered home that iraq was "an imminent threat" before the war with wmds targeted and ready to use against us.

which, thus far, hasn't been panning out for them.

the conservative pundits and the executive branch have now been hammering home that it wasn't about wmds, but about liberating iraq from under the boot of a brutal dictator.

look. we americans aren't stupid. we know it was about more than just wmd and liberation, and not really much to do with oil. however, blatantly switching focus and the reasoning behind the war to support one's political goals is downright nasty, condescending, and disgusting, one which seems to show that they care little and hold no value to the public or its intelligence.

that's what's irritating me now.

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I'm amazed out how many conservatives are so complacent about being played like fiddles. And after all the talk about Bush restoring integrity to the White House after Clinton's dishonesty! Clinton lied to us about a blowjob. Bush lied to us about a situation which led to a war in which thousands died, and U.S. soldiers are still being killed almost every day. On top of that, there's not an iota of evidence this war has made the U.S. or its people the slightest bit safer.

Meanwhile, one of Bush's former top aides has lambasted the anti-terrorism actions, saying we're as vulnerable now as before. So invading Iraq makes us safer, but we let homeland security fall by the wayside?

Bush & Co. are hoodwinking the American public with a slight-of-hand that is painfully obvious. Too bad so many are willing to be duped.

As Hitler said, "What luck for rulers that men do not think."

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So...

No WMD.
No links to Al Qaeda.
Everyone insisted it wasn't about oil...

Er... so what was the war about again?

Hurt pride? General wish to bomb someone (preferably in the middle east) so people would feel better about 9/11? Boost weapons industry? Excuse for the ridiculous military spending levels?

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well, as long as they weren whi--, er, americans.

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Oh, stop whining. There's nothing wrong with wars for interests*.

*- as long as those interests are mine.

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as far I remember the war was about squirrels. I read that somewhere.

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I heard some nasty **** about this Carlyle group..

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Oedo :
Please changed your avatar, it freaks me out.

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The Philadelphia Inquirer reports today on the utter failure of the media to inform the American public.

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A third of the American public believes U.S. forces have found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, according to a recent poll. Twenty-two percent said Iraq actually used chemical or biological weapons.


Is it just me or does that say more about the lack of attention of a third of the American public and less about the media?

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Gee... a politican actually lied...

STOP THE PRESSES... BIG NEWS STORY... A FIRST IN POLITICAL HISTORY...



At least he didn't lie under oath like "somebody" else did

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Is it just me or does that say more about the lack of attention of a third of the American public and less about the media?


The study also found a very high correlation between those who believed that WMDs had been found AND supported the war.

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On top of that, there's not an iota of evidence this war has made the U.S. or its people the slightest bit safer.

If Iraq did have WMD we are now less safe. Because the US has failed to find and secure these fabled weapons they could now be transferred to terrorists or other non-state actors. And, of course, the Baath Party would like revenge upon the US.

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Bush & Co. are hoodwinking the American public with a slight-of-hand that is painfully obvious. Too bad so many are willing to be duped.

Many people in the US have decided that Bush is "one of us" and is therefore trustworthy. Facts are irrelevant to such people.

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As Hitler said, "What luck for rulers that men do not think."

I have to remember that.

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How narrow thinking of the liberals, once again.
Your Pal Slick Willy fired a sh!thouse full of missiles at Iraq in 98 because it was thought by him and even Tom Dutchhound that Saddam has chem/bio weapons and he is a threat to America and his neighbors. Now of course Tom is changing his tune just to counter the Republicans who actually acted on it. WMD, EVIL man, these are nice enough reasons for eliminating the ***** but the real reason is the USA needs to have a foothold in the Middle East, in the hotspot that is breeding terrorists, now we are in the backyard of Saudi(where all the 19 terrorists were from), Iran(which is already feeling our pressure), same with Syria and even Turkey is on notice. Saddam just gave us the reason.

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Gee... a politican actually lied...

STOP THE PRESSES... BIG NEWS STORY... A FIRST IN POLITICAL HISTORY...



At least he didn't lie under oath like "somebody" else did


It might not be unusual for them to lie but when they get caught out by it you have to tear them apart.

Blair's having a nightmare at the moment because of this supposed "intelligence" about WMD. If Bush doesn't get the same kind of treatment then why not? You can't just say, oh, politicians always lie so it's OK. Whether under oath or not makes no difference as far as I can see. I'd rather a politician lied about getting a blow job than lied about something that took our country to war.

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Gee... a politican actually lied...


That's not actually my point. Although lying to Congress is an impeachable and removable offence, lying to the American public is not. My point, is rather, about how the media has completely failed to inform the American public. A similar study after GW1 found that more people believed Kuwait was a democracy after the war than before the war. In other words, the media does not look critically at government propaganda (used here in the general sense, not the pajorative) or promote critical thinking among the American people.

Rather, in their quest to prove their loyalty, almost all opposing viewpoints (those would be the liberal ones) were shut out. Approximately 3% of the voices heard on the nightly news were anti-war. The best was NBC's Nightly News with 6%. Fox, oddly enough, was average (3%), and even beat out Dan Rather, who had 0% of viewpoints on his program from an antiwar perspective. MSNBC canceled their highest rated show, Donahue, because they were afraid it would become a haven for antiwar viewpoints.

Yeah, so, so liberal.

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As somebody else pointed out... it's more a matter of stupid people vs the press. I've read MANY MANY MANY stories saying we haven't found squat yet. Some people are just "selective" on what they actually hear...

Don't blame the media for people being stupid or ill informed.

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wow, defiant, could you be any more disparaging of the democratic party?

i mean, i don't like them all that much, but you take it to an art form...

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I will blame the media because they make a big issue every time smoeone claims WMDs are found, but then don't make a big deal when it turns out to be nothing . . . yet again.

And again, those who are most likely to be misinformed are those who support the Prez up the butt.

 
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