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Niessuh
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Sevilla
Mar 2003
time: 06:28
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Bueno, hasta las próximas elecciones asumo la Huevera 
acabo de enviar un PM a Tabemono (Kloreep, UnOrThOdOx y ZargonX):
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Greetings. We are in very worried about the troop movements in the borders of our countries. Could you clarify your intentions to us? We are open to future agreements that allow assure stability in the zone. By our part we must present excuses to step on adjacent tiles to your border a few turn past, and unfortunately we must excuse ourselves again because a warrior is near again. I hope that It does not happen again.
MrWIA has reported about a PM sent by UnOrthOdOx:
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Greetings!
I've been asked to help out a little on the diplomatic front between our nations. Kloreep is a bit busy it seems these days.
I understand that you guys are researching Engineering, correct?
I come before you now to offer up the following trade: Literature + Feudalism in exchange for your Engineering. I believe I would be able to convince the team that it would be best for us to send Lit now as well, instead of later, and trusting your impecible record that you will follow through with the Engineering.
What say you, do we have a deal?
- UnOrthOdOx
on behalf of Team Tabemono
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At the moment we are not investigating anything and during several turns we are not going to begin any investigation but we could coordinate with you in a future. If you could wait for that time we could make this agreement, or other.
Due to MZ's multiple duties I assume the foreign relationships of the LL team, please excuse (and enjoy) my poor english 
- Niessuh
Huevote de Relaciones Sexteriores, Team Latin Lover |
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Niessuh
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Sevilla
Mar 2003
time: 06:28
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Respuesta calentita de UnOrthOdOx, está convencido de que les vamos a atacar:
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Niessuh,
I must profess a slight amount of confusion as to what you are meaning reguarding the troop movements. For I can find nowhere that we have violated your border.
Look, I don't have the time nor will I put forward the effort to dance around the subject here. You can ask MZ if you want, I just don't care much for skirting the issue.
Here you are, playing as Rome. It is no secret that you now have Legions. It is also no secret, and by your own admission, you are hording gold. Now add in the fact that you have begun to settle a little uncomfortably close to our own border, and the fact that communications have been slow to non existant between us.
Let's not kid anyone, it all looks like you are setting up a launching point for invasion. Be it before feudalism with legions or later with medeival infantry as the primary attacker makes little difference. Do we have troops in the area, then? You're damn right we do. Are we preparing an attack? RIIIGHT. Attacking fortified legions with horse and sword. Come now, we are not foolish.
Now then, perhaps this is all just due to the fact that true relations between our teams have never properly been set up, who knows.
We are more than happy to discuss any form of deals with you, border arrangements, to non-aggression, and are even open to the possibility of a full fledged alliance, but at this point, our intentions are to defend against the attack that seems surely comming.
-UnOrthOdOx
on behalf of Team Tabemono
(forgive if this is a double, had a poly hickup)
(CC MZ, WIA)
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Así que... ¿por cuantos años les ofrecemos el NAP? 
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jolair
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Después de mucho tiempo sin pasarme por aquí me he ido poniendo al dia durante las últimas semanas.
Me pregunto:
- Si nadie va a atacar a nadie mientras no tenga una clara superioridad o surga la necesidad de obtener un recurso...¿vamos a esperar sentados a que en un momento de debilidad nos ataquen?.
- ¿Es interesante firmar un NAP con la única civilización que puede hacernos sombra?. Parece más interesante no atacarles pero obligarles a destinar recursos a crear un ejercito...
- Si Tabemono tiene un NAP con nosotros ¿a quién podría atacar?...¿podríamos acudir en ayuda de la CIv atacada sin violar el NAP?
Por favor, aclararme la estrategia que seguimos, quiero aprender.
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Niessuh
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Sevilla
Mar 2003
time: 06:28
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Respuesta: (UnOrthOdOx, Tabemono)
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Niessuh,
Sorry for the delay, I had some power trouble at the house last night.
Tabemono agrees to stay at least one tile from your territory provided that border is not touching, but we are most concerned with the growing nature OF that border.
We would like to therefore set up a border arrangement that is tied to the NAP. This will go a long way to easing the anxiety of my own team and will hopefully plant the foundations for a long lasting friendship between our two nations.
However, also of concern with an NAP, we would like a clause that if either team commence hostile operations against another team the NAP would then be voided. One cannot expect the other to sit by and watch in such an event. I am sure MZ will agree this is a lesson learned from the first PTWDG.
Again, right to the point, we would like to know your intentions on borders. We ask for the area N and W of your current borders as these have been planned for some time. It would also seem to make sense for your own team to settle the area more southward and secure what is sure to be a long stretch of road to connect these new settlements.
-UnOrthOdOx
on behalf of Team Tabemono
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Resumiendo: de momento aceptan lo de no pisar un tile pegado a la frontera, a menos que la frontera se toque
Para aceptar el NAP quieren que este quede abolido si se ataca a alguien
Y su principal preocupación es la expansión, quieren tener seguro la zona al Norte y Oeste de lo que ya ocupamos
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Estilpón
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Azote de creyentes (y crédulos) Valencia EU
Aug 2001
time: 06:28
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Correcto. Lo que me preocupa es "si son atacados" ¿qué ocurre con el nap? Lo que quiero es que se mantenga...
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jolair
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¿Sería posible hacer una evaulación de los recursos necesarios para barrer del mapa una civilización entera (y quiero decir ENTERA)?
Los MAST, por ejemplo. Cuántas legiones habría que enviar al sur de forma conjunta para que pudieran arrasar todas sus ciudades. Cuántos deberían asegurar nuestras fronteras en previsión de posibles ataques conjuntos de Sunshine y tabemono.
Una vez estimado el tamaño de ese hipotético ejercito (50 legiones? 60? 90?)...¿podemos abordar su construcción y mantenimiento?. Lo digo porque si no planificamos "algo" a medio plazo vamos a convertirnos en una civ de segundo orden, con una UU obsoleta.
Lo que quiero decir es que debemos plantearnos YA, si queremos atacar dentro de 35 turnos (después del NAP)...Una politica agresiva requiere de muchos recursos, esto no es jugar contra el ordenador.
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jolair
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Por tanto lo conveniente sería crecer, expandirnos hasta que nuestras fronteras sean apetecibles y esperar a que nos ataquen.
En ese momento responder con una fuerza que no se esperen...
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jolair
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Personalmente, no soy partidario a ultranza de seguir estrategias marcadamente pacifistas ni tampoco completamente militaristas. Lo que en este momento quiero indicar es que debemos tener una estrategia clara, porque cualquier acción se debe planificar mucho.
Todas las medidas requieren muchos recursos si se quieren llevar a cabo con éxito.
Dicho esto. Me parece que Astrologix tiene toda la razón del mundo.
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07-03-2004 13:43
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We offer a thirty-five turns NAP ending at turn 139 (210AD) this last turn included. We and you will stay 1 tile away from our borders from now on.
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