18-06-2003 17:10									#1
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A railroad from Russia to Egypt!

Now, with Iraq slowly coming together, and maybe signing a peace treaty with Israel, a railroad from Cairo to Russia is possible, geographically.

If The networks of Israel and Iraq will be connected, as well as a railroad from Egypt to Israel, and from Iraq to Georgia, We can have transportation by land.

Is it feasible economically?

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	18-06-2003 17:16									#2
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel A railroad from Russia to Egypt! a railroad from Moscow to Russia is possible, geographically.

Agree. Another railways station could help, though.

	18-06-2003 17:16									#3
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You forgot Jordan.

	18-06-2003 17:20									#4
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We'd build through Jordan. Much sand about nothing.

	18-06-2003 17:38									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel a railroad from Moscow to Russia is possible, geographically.

Hmmmmm, It wasn't possible before.

	18-06-2003 17:40									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel A railroad from Russia to Egypt! Now, with Iraq slowly coming together, and maybe signing a peace treaty with Israel, a railroad from Moscow to Russia is possible, geographically. If The networks of Israel and Iraq will be connected, as well as a railroad from Egypt to Israel, and from Iraq to Georgia, We can have transportation by land. Is it feasible economically?

A ya v Rossiyu domoy hochu,
Ya tak davno ne videl mamu...

j/k
Chasom ne v gosti sobiraeshsya?

	18-06-2003 17:46									#7
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quote: Hmmmmm, It wasn't possible before

Har Har.

Ok, that looked stupid, I better change it. But you know what I meant.


Serb: No, at least not at this time.

	18-06-2003 17:49									#8
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what benefit would it bring?

also you'd have problems in the caucasus (sp?) region, lots of trouble there.

	18-06-2003 17:50									#9
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Well, what would be the goal - transport of persons or freight (or both). How much people would use it? Wouldn´t they rather use planes? I don´t know how expensive flights are currently in Russia and the ME, but in Europe (and AFAIK also the US) you can have pretty cheap flights.

	18-06-2003 17:54									#10
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Let's check the trade balance between Egypt and Russia, shall we? Or wider, The trade balance of the SW CIS to NE Africa.

All that trade is through low tech goods, so you get more cargo than a trade balance of Diamonds or High-tech chips. More Cargo= More money.

Another important thing to check is the cost of transport by ship, and the speed of transport. ( I suspect that the Railroads will have an advantage, but I am not sure ).

	18-06-2003 17:55									#11
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BeBro: I am talking mostly freight.

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quote: Originally posted by Azazel [q] Serb: No, at least not at this time.

Sad.
Then a couple of questions. Who will pay for this? And who will build it?
As I understand Israel don't have much experience with really long railroads. Russia has the longest railroads in the world, the largest summary lenght of all its railroads and the most experience with long railroads. That means we should build it. ...in this case...YES!!! It's VERY possible economically!!! You pay, we build- everyone happy.
We should start at once!!! When we can sign a contract?

	18-06-2003 18:09									#13
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Who will pay? The venture capitalists, of course.

Ok, let's register a company, hire some people to build an economic analysis of such a railroad, and if possible, start looking into construction contractors with the needed experience, and reliability.

	18-06-2003 18:22									#14
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Cool.
I know whole bunch of people who know how to build rairoads. They are my former teachers from my former university and my buddies who still work on various railroads around the country. We could gather them and make concept of this new railroad, then we could drink to celabrate such great event...then we could wake-up in police and our project will be closed permanently

	18-06-2003 18:24									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel A railroad from Russia to Egypt! Now, with Iraq slowly coming together, and maybe signing a peace treaty with Israel, a railroad from Cairo to Russia is possible, geographically. If The networks of Israel and Iraq will be connected, as well as a railroad from Egypt to Israel, and from Iraq to Georgia, We can have transportation by land. Is it feasible economically?

hi ,

there is no problem with our railroad , but one you hit egypt , .... or jordan , or any of our neighbors its a disaster , ......

both for cargo and people

if they are willing to invest , and expand and spend money on that railroad that leads from iraq ( has not been maintained since 91 ) to aqaba then we are talking , ..... all that would be needed is a track from Beersheba to Eilat and we are talking

have a nice day

	18-06-2003 18:25									#16
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That's the problem with Russia. If you want to do such bussiness, and say... the contractor ****s up, it could take ages to get him in court. And I don't even mention various "Krisha" to which people must pay.

	18-06-2003 18:27									#17
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quote: there is no problem with our railroad

Yep.
No railroad - No problem!

	18-06-2003 18:33									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel quote: there is no problem with our railroad Yep. No railroad - No problem!

hi ,

wake up and walk to the trainstation and ask a map , ....

or visit www.israrail.org.il

we have the best railroad network in the entire region , ....

have a nice day

P.S. there are some plans that where never put into action but they are there , about an extensive regional railroad network , Dayan and Meir worked on it , .....

but the plans got put away due to the lack of intrest from our arab neighbors , .....

guess who desigend the plans for the ones in jordan , ....

	18-06-2003 18:35									#19
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quote: we have the best railroad network in the entire region ,

That's just like saying that we are the strongest economy- doesn't say nothing.

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hi ,

the cargo map , look at the bottom , project towards Eilat

have a nice day

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	18-06-2003 18:37									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel That's the problem with Russia. If you want to do such bussiness, and say... the contractor ****s up, it could take ages to get him in court. And I don't even mention various "Krisha" to which people must pay.

Believe me no one else except state can't build railroads in Russia. And MPS (minestry of railroads) don't need "krysha".
It's not a problem. So are you hiring or not? Should I call to my "odnakashniky" and tell them that soon we are going to Israel? First of all we should check the site where the road will be started, you know...beaches..bars..

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hi ,

passengers , no new plans

have a nice day

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	18-06-2003 18:39									#23
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Wow, what a developed network! Moscow's subway is bigger.

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I don't trust Russians. Seriously, if you people **** it up, I have nowhere to go to.

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quote: Originally posted by Serb Believe me no one else except state can't build railroads in Russia. And MPS (minestry of railroads) don't need "krysha". It's not a problem. So are you hiring or not? Should I call to my "odnakashniky" and tell them that soon we are going to Israel? First of all we should check the site where the road will be started, you know...beaches..bars..

hi ,

beaches , bars , harbors , shipping docks , repairs , etc , ...

we are the only nation who has it in the region , ....

drydocks you say , we have them also , and a large holding ownes a couple in Greece and Malta also , ...

with the link the entire region shall get benefits , ....

the only problem is the size of tracks compared to russia , but that can be overcome to make one track fit both types like in Australia or a container terminal

have a nice day

Az , some-one should sell this idea

	18-06-2003 18:44									#26
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This is not feasible yet, since the capital investment won't be safe in Iraq, yet.

But yes, Yes, YES!

	18-06-2003 19:07									#27
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quote: we are the only nation who has it in the region , ....

Doesnt mean a thing. We're surrounded by Arabs.

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quote: Originally posted by Eli quote: we are the only nation who has it in the region , .... Doesnt mean a thing. We're surrounded by Arabs.

hi ,

the never ending * sigh * " i know "

but think of it , begin , meir and some others years ago saw what it could do , it could bring peace and prosperity to the region , it would bring jobs , thus money , money for education , development , etc , .....

it could be a real bridge builder for the entire region with unseen or calculated economical prosperity , ......

have a nice day

	18-06-2003 20:27									#29
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I wonder what the use of such a railroad would be. Usually, long railroad lines are used by passengers commuting on only a part of it.
For example, on the Paris-Vienna, there are many people who only do the Paris-Strasbourg, the Karlsruhe-Stuttgart, or the Vienna's Suburbs - Vienna Centre.

If the railroad connection between fairly big cities of the region isn't enough, then such a railroad would be worth it...

I also wonder what would be the use of such a railroad when it comes to freight. In the region, I'd suppose oil is cheap as hell (ok, maybe not in Israel), and that no country really cares about environment. So I wonder why trucks would be replaced by trains, which are less flexible.

Anybody knows the amount of landbased commerce between Egypt and Jordan ? Or Israel and Georgia ?

	18-06-2003 21:07									#30
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Azazel : I think I understand the real motive behind the idea.

We'll build a rail, sign an RoP agreement with Jordan, Iraq, Turkey and Georgia and now that our tanks can move instantaneously, we'll invade Russia!