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Which of the two givernments would you prefer or have less objection to live under?
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FASCIST 18 45.00%
COMMUNIST 22 55.00%
Total: 40 voters 100%
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Zylka is offline Zylka
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fascist/communist to what degree? chile fascist or nazi fascist? Czech communist or Stalin communist?

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If I were part of the "master race" in question, I'd probably want to live in a Fascist system. Life is good if you're part of that clique. As for Stalinist Communism, life is sh1tty for everyone.

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I'd rather be dead.

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Yeah, by nazi/communist do you mean what exactly?

If you mean fascist like in Nazi Germany, and communist like in East Germany after 45 I´d prefer the latter. While both were totalitarian regimes, chances to survive conflicts with the ruling forces were muuuuuch bigger under communist rule.

If you are rather after the Soviet Stalinist era, it would be too difficult to decide for me.

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I would live under netheir government. Both oppress people, and both froms of government when used in Germany and Russia killed millions and oppressed millions more.

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fascist/communist to what degree? chile fascist or nazi fascist? Czech communist or Stalin communist?


That's up to each individual. Vote according to example, theory, perceived probability, a combination of such criteria, whatever. I just imagine it would make most sense to couple standards, rather than the obvious stances many might take (Communism by theory vs. Fascism by example, etc.)

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Even though they'd both suck, I'll say communist, because then I'd at least have a pleasant ideology to fall back on. I'd feel too guilty to live well in a fascism. In communism, at least I can trick myself into believing I'm suffering for a noble cause.

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In most of the cases, the answer is clear.


But to surprise you:
I'd take a suscessful, fair and just fascism over a corrupt destroyed pseudo communist rule. ( think North Korea ).

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oh I'd rather live by "Communism by theory". For people who understand what it is, it's much like a Utopia... I was assuming you meant Stalinist Communism.

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With relative perception of present, I think I would rather have lived in Caesar's Rome than Stalin's Russia. Even Germany under Hitler would have been more desirbale than that - in a majority sense

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I'd wonder what I had done to be sentenced to such a hellish choice.

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In fascism, its a case of men oppressing men. With stalinism, its the other way round.

However, I take communism to mean the myriad different systems that come under that banner, from the perfect capitalist society, to the greatest amount of liberty in a society (a possible interpretation of the Mill Limit), to the ravages of Stalins purges.

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In fascism, its a case of men oppressing men. With stalinism, its the other way round.

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Can we have definitions of the two please, thread starter?

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Can we have definitions of the two please, thread starter?


You're not to lead your ideological life by concrete posts, rather to choose to judge based on what you have been taught, influenced, currently accept as ideal and/or probable. The definition of ideologies often seem to hover around mean, median, or mode - oddly enough . Just try to judge each side by the same standard (both according to world definitions, or both according to theoretical definitions, or both to both - not a mismatch)

In short, we have no definition. It's of your own

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They could both exist concurrently.

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In that case, take communism/fascism to be the interpretation of your choice.

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Ok. Well let's take this example from the complex tangle of meat and neurons known as Thorn:

True I'm anti-christian yes, but I'm far more anti-muslim

I'm sure you have gut inclinations of the same construct, not necessarily with the same two forces? If not - then abstain! So, which would you rather live in - a communist or fascist "state"?

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In that case, take communism/fascism to be the interpretation of your choice.


Sure, but it varies. In my case - my "choice" was largely of human example on this earth; not proposed fantasy

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Communism

Fascism is bad no matter what. Communism is only bad if a tyrant (Stalin) or a demogogue (Mao) take power.

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I'd rather live in a facist society since the majority retain greater personal freedoms then in a communist society. Not to meantion the higher standards of living, greater employment opportunities, ability to travel, and do just about everything as long as your not a member of a minority group.

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Fascism

I may be oppressed, but I have a nice life (points at quality of life (for non-jews) in Nazi Germany, then points at quality of life in USSR during the same time period).

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I'd rather live in a facist society since the majority retain greater personal freedoms then in a communist society. Not to meantion the higher standards of living, greater employment opportunities, ability to travel, and do just about everything as long as your not a member of a minority group.


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I may be oppressed, but I have a nice life (points at quality of life (for non-jews) in Nazi Germany, then points at quality of life in USSR during the same time period).


Yes, but how is that better? If I was living well under a fascism, where a minority was being horribly oppressed (or even systematically slaughters), my material possessions would bring me no joy. At least under a brutal communism, I could be sure that the vast majority of us (excluding the Party higher-ups) were suffering together. And if it was a not-so-brutal communism, well then it'd just be all the better.

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Well, I think some guys here have a quite romantic view on Nazi Germany. I think it is illusion to believe that all except Jews had a good live, every bit of political opposition could lead to prison, concentration camp or death. There are cases reported where people were sent into concentration camps for telling jokes about Hitler.

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Speak the truth, BeBro.

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I'd rather be dead.


I'd rather make the other bastards be dead.

I really wouldn't care. I'd be in armed resistance against either, unless by some miracle of the sun coming up in the west, pigs and pink elephants flying around, etc., you had some hippie lovefest utopian do-your-own-thing communism that could be easily ignored.

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why does noone say that I've doen this poll before?

I did it more generally, and most Americans said they prefer the ideological concept that fascism usually brings along to that of communism. That one scared me more than any Americanism I'd seen before

 
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