19-06-2003 13:23									#1
	I was wrong about Jessica Lynch Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

The goverment lied to us.

I should have figured as much. It seemed stupid to lie about something that would be made public. How can this administration be so stupid? While I initially supported Bush, his administration has done a very poor job the past two months.

Why are all his administration personnel leaving? I can see one or two. But I can't help but get suspicious when everyone is leaving. That chick from the Pentagon is leaving as well. Something is rotten over there.

Unlike some people, I am man enough to admit when I was wrong.

I had trouble believing she suffered that many injuries in the attack. But it seems that her humvee hit another vehicle extremely hard. They are now saying the collision cause all those broken bones in her body.

Also early reports said that she killed half a dozen Iraqies and emptied her rifle and all ammunition. Now it is being said her gun jammed.

As for the rescue itself they still don't admit to using blanks. I doubt they did- they were in a combat zone after all. But they do say no shots were fired inside the hospital. But flash-bang grenades were used to disorientate the doctors. How much of that was staged is unknown.

The Bush administration and the Pentagon are all lying sons of *****es.

	19-06-2003 13:28									#2
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

Don't blam me, I voted for Gore.

All I know is that Bush can KMA as far as I'm concerned....as well as the rest of America who believes his tripe. I say we should get the FBI, NSA, and ATF in charge of the country for the remainder of his term.

(waits for the criticism)

	19-06-2003 13:44									#3
	Re: I was wrong about Jessica Lynch Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote: Originally posted by Dissident The Bush administration and the Pentagon are all lying sons of *****es.

They're politicians, what did you expect?

	19-06-2003 13:52									#4
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

The Pentagon is not made up of politicians.

They are professional civil servants, therefore they should know better.

But of course the top levels are all in bed with each other, retired generals/defence contractors/defence policy thinktanks/serving generals...one big happy Mil/Industrial Family.

	19-06-2003 14:18									#5
	Remove this text

One thing is a lot of international anger (so called anti-USism) is directed at GWB and his cronies.

	19-06-2003 16:29									#6
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

They say you shouldn't judge a book by its cover, but you only had to LOOK at the girl to know she didn't empty her gun mowing down Iraqi soldiers.

	19-06-2003 16:30									#7
	Put an end to popups!

Some of us didn't buy any of this in the first place because of the gigantic disconnect between the pentagon and centcom's (largely factual as it turns out) renditions of the story, and the crap from unnamed sources that has turned out to be a pack of lies. I don't know who that unnamed source was, but whoever it was is the culprit. AFAI can tell, the pentagon played this completely straight, and certainly their statements on the record bear this out. They didn't however spend any particular effort disabusing the press of the BS that the Washington Post swallowed and reported hook, line and sinker. Someone lied for certain, and we have no idea who it is, even if common sense tends to point a finger in the direction of the administration.

The coverage of this story on BBC and the Guardian has been nearly as bad as the original feeding frenzy in the U.S. press at the time. A lot of wild charges have flown from them, all as well documented as the original Washington Post story, which is to say not documented at all.

	19-06-2003 16:31									#8
	Support Apolyton

quote: Originally posted by reds4ever They say you shouldn't judge a book by its cover, but you only had to LOOK at the girl to know she didn't empty her gun mowing down Iraqi soldiers.

My thoughts exactly at the time. She didn't exactly inspire me with confidence in her Iraqi slaying capabilities. She looked like someone who gets by with a little help from her friends.

	19-06-2003 17:21									#9
	Inflate your Upload Space

There's no excuse for this kind of slip-shod reporting. Now that I think on it, I don't remember the Pentagon or the adminstration spreading this disinformation. It all came from the same kind of media feeding frenzy that gave us the rampant looting of 130,000 Iraqi artifacts. Nice going press corps.

	19-06-2003 17:34									#10
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote: Nice going press corps.

It's highly unlikely the press made up the story wholesale. It's far more likely (given past experience) that the story came from an "anonymous source" inside the exectuive administration.

	19-06-2003 17:37									#11
	Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

This story demonstrates why "Wag the Dog" is one of the most truthful American politic movies of all time.

	19-06-2003 17:44									#12
	Inflate your Upload Space

Yes, Wag the Dog. Again who's ultimately to blame here? A lazy press corps that repeats half-told rumors from any source without checking the facts. Whether its 130,000 Iraqi artifacts or Pvt. Lynch's firefight, getting the scoop first seems to be the highest priority. Truth runs a distant second.

	19-06-2003 18:42									#13
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Diss,

You must be 'under the influence' if you believe the crap thats coming out of the liberal press. It's impossible for us to know what Lynch did or did not do, or what the Iraqis did or did not do, since she hasnt said anything yet.

Check out less biased reporting link


The idea that any troops would go into a combat zone with blank ammunition is pure bullshit. What does that say about the Iraqi source? When the story broke, there were threads here that pointed out some of the inconsistencies in the story that was being published. The latest liberal version is even worse than the original.

	19-06-2003 18:57									#14
	Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

Dissident, the boat for Cuba sails in a half hour.

	19-06-2003 19:22									#15
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

SpencerH :

For the second time in 24 hours, I see someone telling the Washington Post belongs to the liberal media.
Since I post here, I've always seen the Washington Post as being extremely supportive to Bush and his team, and I haven't seen any opposition from its part. Besides, it's DanS' favourite read, and I highly doubt Dan would read liberal media first, given his opinions. To me, the Washington Post has always been the serious news outlet from the right wing in the US, so I wonder why you consider it liberal (yeah, sure, they initiated the Watergate scandal...)

I can't wait to see you and other rightists whining about how liberal FOX is...

	19-06-2003 19:24									#16
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Dissident, the boat for Cuba sails in a half hour.

I'll make sure to tell you that next time you'll b1tch about your Democratic prez (once Bush gets out)

	19-06-2003 19:30									#17
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Dissident, the boat for Cuba sails in a half hour.

Stupidest argument ever! Arrrgggghhhh. Just because someone points out a fault in a country does not mean they don't support the country!! Arrggghhh!!!

On topic: She is one person in one war. She doesn't deserve this much attention, whether she did what was said or not.

	19-06-2003 20:14									#18
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Dissident, the boat for Cuba sails in a half hour.

He's a dissident, he cannot be in Cuba.

	19-06-2003 20:30									#19
	Remove this text

slowwhand, the country needs more people like dissident and less people like you. we only allow you to stay here for your comedic value which is fast diminishing.

	19-06-2003 20:45									#20
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

quote: Originally posted by Spiffor SpencerH : For the second time in 24 hours, I see someone telling the Washington Post belongs to the liberal media. Since I post here, I've always seen the Washington Post as being extremely supportive to Bush and his team, and I haven't seen any opposition from its part. Besides, it's DanS' favourite read, and I highly doubt Dan would read liberal media first, given his opinions. To me, the Washington Post has always been the serious news outlet from the right wing in the US, so I wonder why you consider it liberal (yeah, sure, they initiated the Watergate scandal...) I can't wait to see you and other rightists whining about how liberal FOX is...

I didnt say the Washington Post is Liberal. Please feel free to underline where I said that.

What I was refering to are unfounded statements about how the incident was staged (with the customary subplots about what the government knew etc). Who do you think is replaying this same tired trash, the conservatives? The Dems are doing everything in their power to discredit the Bush administration and their handling of the war, and this is just another example of that.

	19-06-2003 20:52									#21
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

Besides, it's DanS' favourite read, and I highly doubt Dan would read liberal media first, given his opinions. To me, the Washington Post has always been the serious news outlet from the right wing in the US

It's a liberal paper.

There are very few conservative national news sources in the US. The Wall Street Journal being the best and most widely known.

	20-06-2003 11:04									#22
	Remove this text

Cuba ehh? If I thought socialism really could work, I'd be there.

Slow? Don't you remember how made this post? I was a pro-war guy remember? I have been accused of being a huge conservative. I like Bill O' Reilly for crying out loud.

I'm not a liberal.

But I'm not some mindless conservative who believes everything the goverment tells them. But I'm also not a liberal who autmatically doesn't believe what republicans say. I gave the Bush administration the benefit of the doubt. Until they actually lied to me, I believed them.

But now they crossed the line. Between this and weapons of mass destruction I am pissed. Yes I am still glad Iraq is gone (although I think the U.N. should be running the peacekeeping- we aren't doing a good job peackeeping). We kicked some major ass, I have no regrets about that. Honestly I didn't support the war to get rid of WOMD. But the fact remains, that the Bush administration appears to have lied about that. Even though I didn't care about the WOMD, I don't appreciate the president lying blatantly like that.

	20-06-2003 11:20									#23
	Get a bigger avatar today!

quote: Originally posted by Dissident I gave the Bush administration the benefit of the doubt. Until they actually lied to me, I believed them.

You have to turn that around. Always assume politicians are lying, unless proven otherwise.

	20-06-2003 11:24									#24
	Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

I'm not that cynical

Is it too much to ask that politicians don't lie to the public?

I don't care if they lie about the small stuff- everybody does that. But I do take exception to lying about matters that involve people dying.

	20-06-2003 11:43									#25
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

quote: Originally posted by Dissident Is it too much to ask that politicians don't lie to the public?

You can sure ask. It's just unrealistic.

	20-06-2003 11:54									#26
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

Osterrlich ist bunt.

	20-06-2003 12:23									#27
	Remove this text

That too.

	20-06-2003 16:27									#28
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote: Originally posted by Frankychan Don't blam me, I voted for Gore.

Most Americans did

	20-06-2003 23:56									#29
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

DanS, yeel, thanks for the heads up. It sure is surprising to read that the Washington POst is liberal (it sure doesn't look like it from my perspective, but I trust you on this one)

Diss :
I'd like to say it takes balls to begin a thread with "I was wrong" Well done ! More Apolytoners should be like you.

	21-06-2003 10:42									#30
	Support Apolyton

quote: Dissident, the boat for Cuba sails in a half hour.

sloww, i never thought i'd see you stoop as low as the worst of the talk show hacks out here.