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Albert Speer is offline Albert Speer
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My letter to NBC concerning Vector/Cutco Enter the AD-FREE zone

I went there and told the workers about it. None of them should go back tomorrow. I also e-mailed NBC channel 10 news about it

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Last week, I recieved a mailing telling about Vector Marketing. The thing was that the mailing was very vague. It promised us 16.25 per appointment, no telephone sales or canvassing and various other appealing advantages but never said what Vector was nor what we'd be doing except that Vector was looking for students. The mailing then asked us to call (610) 664-5095 to set up an interview. If you call, the secretary refuses to tell you anything about the business or what you'd be doing and provides you with the time of your interview at, in my case, 135 Montgomery Avenue in Bala Cynwyd.

When I got there, I saw a small building next to a cleaners and had been told by the secretary to go around the back. There, I found about twenty other people, mostly out of high school with a few in college, waiting to be interviewed. No where was the word 'resume' ever mentioned nor was the job described until well into the 'group interview' that the branch manager, an Ankit Parikh gave. I was quickly getting suspicious.

After I learned Vector was a marketing company selling Cutco knives, I figured this couldn't be an illegit business as Cutco apparently had over 250 million dollars in sale and was a national company. Parikh then weeded off a few people after group interview, which basically was a sales pitch about Cutco then we were each given an individual interview. This was specifically designed, I soon learned, to make it seem like very few people were being hired when, according to former employees and their testimonies I found on the internet, Vector/Cutco probably hires everybody to scam as many people as possible.

We were then supposed to come the next to an unpaid training seminar which was basically a sales pitch about Cutco. Parikh went on to say that 6 out of 10 potential customers we'd call up and visit (no telemarketing or canvassing?) would buy and would spend an average of 190 dollars on knives.

Living in Philly (along with everyone of my other fellow trainees) this seemed odd. Who would buy expensives knives from a door to door salesman yet Parikh insisted that workers had made over one thousand in sales in their first two days.

The next day, a secretary put up posters all over the walls declaring all the immense sales of the workers which were unbelievable. Fortunately, the night before, while looking on the internet, I found dozens of websites declaring Cutco to be a scam where they grossly exaggerated the success of Vector salesmen, didn't mention the time involved in setting up appointments and getting to people's houses (which could take over three hours making 16.25 pay equivalent to minimum wage), and exaggerated the capabilities of Cutco knives.

At this second training seminar, I came early and waited by the door to show all my fellow trainees the dozens of websites I found and printed out. many had been suspicious of a scam and now knew those were suspicions were correct. Among the sites I showed them were...

http://atlas.spaceports.com/~cesquire/vector.html
http://www.petitiononline.com/vector/petition.html
http://www.geocities.com/cutcocompl...ctor_alcas.html

During Parikh's training, I recited from one of the sites and walked out and left. I hope that my fellow workers do not come back tomorrow for the next training but as the websites assured me, anyone who quits is immediately portrayed by Cutco managers as a quiter, whiner, or not "Cutco material" I hope the other workers are not brain-washed by this bullshit.

If you're wondering how Cutco got the names of so many students to mail to, they asked for our high school directories, which are usually illegal to use for sales or business purposes.

I hope that NBC10 does an expose on this company or something to warn hundreds of young high school graduates or college students to throw away any mail from Vector/Cutco


Does that sound alright? Do you think they'd do an investigation?

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Albert Speer is offline Albert Speer
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what is wrong with it?

(and damn i forgot to mention we were supposed to pay for the demonstration kits )

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NBC probably think Cutco are the good guys.

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good **** albert!

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(and damn i forgot to mention we were supposed to pay for the demonstration kits )


That alone proves what a scam it is

Yeah, maybe you should have included that

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I think the same company does the same thing where I live. A few years a ago I go a letter in the mail sounding just like what you disscribed, but the place I went to was an office building. I went their for an interview but did not get an one one one because I did not have a car. And they still do it to this day putting flyers out around the collage I go to. These guys do this all around the country.

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Ming:

if they click one of the links, it's mentioned in there.

NBC 10 has been doing exposes for years on this kind of thing in the philly area so hopefully they'll investigate this

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Tired of ads?

How do you expose something everybody already knows about?

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Wait a second... you came to Poly all excited about the job, and then we clued you in. Yet in the letter, you claim you were suspicious all along!

Albert Speer is offline Albert Speer
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Boris:



actually, i was suspicious, in all honesty, but the lure of money made me ignore my suspicions.

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I have some land in Florida I'd like you to look at, Albert...

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How do you expose something everybody already knows about?


I had never heard of Cutco until AS brought them up. Of course, I wouldn't fall for it either.

ACK!

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I had never heard of Cutco until AS brought them up. Of course, I wouldn't fall for it either.

ACK!


I'd never heard of that specific company either, but selling "High-quality" knives is almost a cliche in terms of scams...

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It's certainly worth a try. Not sure if NBC will do the expose, but still.

Albert Speer is offline Albert Speer
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Victor:

if they don't get back to me, i'll contact local Fox News which is the other station here in philly that is known for exposes

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Well done Albert, sounds good.

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this just gets better and better...

btw, i've got some prime arizona beach front property for sale albert, interested?

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Monkspider:

you never did say exctly what happened when you worked there?


Cockney:

there's a beach in Arizona?

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the above is probably the reason you fell for this in the first place

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I sold Cutco for a while. Good knives.

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I still have my demonstration kit. Best set of knives I've ever come across. I once house sat at a place that had a set of old Cutco knives that still had the petrified wood handles. Over twenty years old, and still sharp as hell.

The whole point in buying the knives is so that you can honestly say that you own the knives if a customer asks. After all, would you buy a product from someone who didn't own it?

IF you know the right people, you can make some serious money selling CutCo. You don't sell door to door. You sell to people you know (which cuts you out, Speer). If they're impressed by the product, they give you names of people they think might want knives. If you don't know newly married couples, it's unlikely you'll make any money. One kid I worked with would hang around knife shops and compare his knives with the stuff they were selling and steal customers.

At some point, I'm gonna buy more knives, but the ones I have (except for the one that got nabbed by the police) are my most prized kitchen posessions. I would give up everything else I own in the kitchen before I gave up those knives. They are that good.

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Last thing I'd want is a creepy looking guy like Speer showing up at my place with a set of weapons so sharp they can slice you up and not even feel it. I do not use these knives barefoot, since I want to keep all my toes (in case I drop a knife).

God, I love these knives.

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im really surprised to see mad monk supporting cutco. where as che doesnt surprise me in the least.

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Why? They're a good product, and they're American made. You set your own hours, work by your own ethic. Your success or failure is entirely your own.

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when are you gonna be taken away for deprogramming mad monk?

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Those of us who worked with the knives, stand by the knives. Granted, if you're not a self-starter, born salesman, and don't know anyone, all that's gonna happen is you're gonna plunk down some money on a great set of knives.

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I "worked" for Cutco in 1990. At the time, I was in a real cult, the Spark. Since that time I have become quite knowledgable about cults and multilevel marketing cults. Cutco is neither. Unlike cults and MLMs, you do not recruit people to Cutco. You do not make money from people joining. You only make money from selling.

 
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