22-06-2003 14:45									#1
	Civ3: Conquests for Mac? (Will it include PtW civs as well?) Suffering from ads?

Now that it has been made clear that Civ3: Gold is not going to include PtW or Conquests, will Conquests be made available for the Mac.

Also what about us Mac user who wish to play with the PtW civs?

Worst comes to worse, someone would be able to back port the ptW civs (along with the graphics, sounds and animations) as a MOD like the Apolyton Extrapack specially for the Mac.

So it would make sense for Atari to make those civs available in the expansion pack for the Mac.

PtW would be the multiplayer version of the game, for all intents and purposes isn't essential for most Mac civ3 players anyway.

	27-06-2003 19:00									#2
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I'll beg to differ!

While MP won't work, PBEM usually does work cross-platform. One of the entire reasons I'd like to have PtW for Mac.

	27-06-2003 19:56									#3
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One would think that PTW and C3C would be "icing on the cake" for MacSoft since the code has basically already been written. I don't understand why these aren't being ported sooner rather than later. Sales for the mac version of Civ3 were good, weren't they?

	27-06-2003 20:03									#4
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no idea about sales, but if they keep this up they may lose out to people switching to EU2

	28-06-2003 10:29									#5
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**sigh** Everyone knows where I stand on the PtW and, to a lesser degree, C3C.

	30-06-2003 04:36									#6
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True GK... though what is your stance on EU2?

	30-06-2003 11:33									#7
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Honestly, I haven't been following developments with EU2, so I can't offer any insights on the game, other than the fact that it has an interesting premise. Don't know if I like the play limitations to Europe, though. Or can you play China in EU2?

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	30-06-2003 17:08									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Gatekeeper Honestly, I haven't been following developments with EU2, so I can't offer any insights on the game, other than the fact that it has an interesting premise. Don't know if I like the play limitations to Europe, though. Or can you play China in EU2? Gatekeeper

Yep, sure can. And, you can play minor provinces, including Native Americans, Native Africans, etc. If it exisated between 1419 - 1820, you can play it. There are also historical events which create nations. Also, once you've played x # of years, you can switch to another country = pretty cool.

One more thing, If an area of earth was unkown to Europe during the game's time span, then it is terra incognita throughout the game.

	01-07-2003 10:57									#9
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Interesting. Maybe I shall give it a shot once I upgrade to a newer, better, faster Bionic iMac.

	14-07-2003 15:10									#10
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hi ,

well everything thats in ptw is going to be in conquests , .....

there is actually some talk ( rumour control ) that they shall skip ptw and go for conquests at ones , .....

however its a rumour , ........

but the idea itself seem to not bad , .....

lets hope we dont have to wait to long to get it , ....

have a nice day

	16-07-2003 05:45									#11
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Some interesting things seem to be coming out of the conquests expansion, however the most interesting thing seems to be the new scenarios that are being put together by Friaxis. If they port Conquests over to the Mac, i think that the scenarios will be worth the cost of the expansion. There is one good thing about us not having been given PtW, at least we do not have to pay for the costs of two expansion packs, only one(if they port it). Plus, we do not have to worry about the bugs that plauged the initial release of PtW.

I hope that this rumor comes true. We can never had too few strategy games(now only if we could get business sims...)

	16-07-2003 10:49									#12
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Hmm ... so there's talk that PtW and C3C might be brought over to the Mac as one expansion pack? I hope it's true, I really do.

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	16-07-2003 17:55									#13
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what i've read is that Conquests contains all of the improvments and Civs of PtW, which if my memory is correct will be a good thing for us(no paying for two Xpacks only one.)

	17-07-2003 12:22									#14
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If that's the case, CivPatriot, I shall be a happy customer. Now all I have to do is buy that new 1G iMac that has an OS capable of still operating in Classic, so I can play Civ II along with a *whole* Civ III.

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	17-07-2003 13:08									#15
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quote: what i've read is that Conquests contains all of the improvments and Civs of PtW, which if my memory is correct will be a good thing for us(no paying for two Xpacks only one.)

Yeah.

	17-07-2003 15:53									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Gatekeeper Hmm ... so there's talk that PtW and C3C might be brought over to the Mac as one expansion pack? I hope it's true, I really do. Gatekeeper

hi ,

well one thing thats for sure is that everything thats in ptw is going to be in c3c with some extra's , ........

it does seem a smart move and one that would make a lot of people happy , ......

but unfortunatly its only rumour for now , ......

anyway , lets keep our hopes up

have a nice day

	18-07-2003 10:21									#17
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If Macsoft, et al., is smart, they'll turn it from a rumor into a fact. And, of course, then launch a good marketing blitz upon the Macintosh world ...

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	18-07-2003 17:10									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Gatekeeper If Macsoft, et al., is smart, they'll turn it from a rumor into a fact. And, of course, then launch a good marketing blitz upon the Macintosh world ... Gatekeeper

hi ,

true , but it would be really nice to hear the facts from lets say macsoft , a small offical statement would be great , .....

and they would win a lot with doing so , the marketing and benefits would be unheard off in the mac world , ......

so , anyone from Macsoft

have a nice day

	10-09-2003 23:42									#19
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Go to the Civ3 top page and check this out regarding PTW:

quote: .:: Pentium 300 mhz .:: 32 megs of ram .:: 100 megs hd .:: 4X CD-Rom .:: DirectX 7 vid. card .:: 1024x768 Req. .:: Windows .:: Mac coming soon

Gatekeeper, dojoboy, I think our dream is about to come true!

	11-09-2003 01:33									#20
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quote: Originally posted by FlameFlash Go to the Civ3 top page and check this out regarding PTW: Gatekeeper, dojoboy, I think our dream is about to come true!

hi ,

lets hope " soon " means before the end of the year , .......

have a nice day

	11-09-2003 04:24									#21
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quote: Originally posted by FlameFlash Go to the Civ3 top page and check this out regarding PTW: Gatekeeper, dojoboy, I think our dream is about to come true!

Unfortunately, its been that way since PTW's release, prior to MacSofts sale to Destineer. I'm sorry to say, FlameFlash, its not a new development.

	11-09-2003 11:38									#22
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**** 'em. I can spend my $2000 elsewhere. A nice, souped-up PC can be found at www.cyberpowerinc.com ... roughly the same price as a top-of-the-line iMac, and no g*d*mn issues in regards to Civ III's expansion ports.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I want to stay with Apple, but, by God, I draw the line when it comes to not having a single game of interest to *me* available for the platform.

Just call me pissed right now.

Gatekeeper

	11-09-2003 14:53									#23
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WHat is EU2?

	11-09-2003 16:53									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Deathwalker WHat is EU2?

See here.

	11-09-2003 21:00									#25
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quote: One more thing, If an area of earth was unkown to Europe during the game's time span, then it is terra incognita throughout the game.

No they have some blind spots. By 1812, Lewis and Clark had already done their little expedition, but those territories arnt visible.

	13-09-2003 00:50									#26
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quote: Originally posted by dojoboy Unfortunately, its been that way since PTW's release, prior to MacSofts sale to Destineer. I'm sorry to say, FlameFlash, its not a new development.

Crap.

	13-09-2003 01:10									#27
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quote: Originally posted by FlameFlash Crap.

Well put.

	13-09-2003 03:09									#28
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I just don't understand Macsoft right now. I always thought they were a fairly reliable company. It turns out I might have been wrong.

If they're not porting things because of "lackluster" sales, part of the damn reason might be because of forums like this, where folks read that Civ III for the Mac is only a "part" game, in the sense that if you get it, don't expect any of the PC ports for PtW, C3C and so on.

Macsoft, you'd be surprised at how critical word of mouth is when it comes to continued game sales. I bet the moment word began circulating that Macsoft wasn't certain about bringing over PtW or C3C, sales of Civ III for the Mac started trending downward.

Gatekeeper

	13-09-2003 04:41									#29
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And you're probably right, sadly, Gatekeeper.

	13-09-2003 05:55									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Gatekeeper If they're not porting things because of "lackluster" sales, part of the damn reason might be because of forums like this, where folks read that Civ III for the Mac is only a "part" game, in the sense that if you get it, don't expect any of the PC ports for PtW, C3C and so on.

You're partly correct. Its been hinted at that sales were low, but not for Mac Civ3. It appears sales have been low for PTW, which is why MacSoft is non-committal on a PTW port. Now, if C3C moves off the shelves quickly and en mass, which I have a feeling it will, we may see it ported to the Mac.

Also, over at CFC, a high number of mac players have been taking part in the GOTM which features the PTW civs and improvements. If I was MacSoft, I would think a port of PTW could capitalize on the interest.

I guess the thing that confuses me is, shouldn't an expansion be icing on the cake? I mean, how much new code is necessary?