22-06-2003 17:43									#1
	Rap, Hip-hop and all that nonsense.. Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Interesting bit in the Times today which suggests that rap is the new entertainment for middle-class whites to watch with amusement at blacks..dunno about that, but I think this form of "music" is on its way out. It's hardly innovative.

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quote: For something billed as the Anger Management Tour, there was very little to get worked up about at the first of Eminem's three gigs in Milton Keynes. The last time the rapper appeared in Britain he was armed with a chainsaw - this time he entered on a slowly revolving miniature ferris wheel. It was typical of a show that was full of glossy production but little real energy. Though he both danced with a computer-generated image of his daughter and attempted mid-song magic tricks, Eminem was either unwilling or unable to make anything sound different to what would have come out of a stereo if someone just pressed play at the right moment. Instead, he seemed content to rely on an assorted crew of other rappers who regularly interchanged with each other at various points during the show - including his group D12, Obie Trice, and hot new star 50 Cent - to provide the impetus and variety. And shockingly for a gig into which so much time and money had been pumped into production, there were some appalling technical problems that badly marred the set. The sound had previously gone down five times during the opening act of Cypress Hill, who eventually resorted to a five-minute drum solo, powerless to use any of their other instruments.

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	22-06-2003 17:51									#2
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quote: The sound had previously gone down five times during the opening act of Cypress Hill, who eventually resorted to a five-minute drum solo, powerless to use any of their other instruments.

something i did find amusing is where eminem decided to start his tour, london? liverpool? manchester? no, milton keynes

	22-06-2003 19:35									#3
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quote: Originally posted by C0ckney something i did find amusing is where eminem decided to start his tour, london? liverpool? manchester? no, milton keynes

I think that says a lot about his popularity over here.

	22-06-2003 20:50									#4
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What is it they call him, wigger or something?

	22-06-2003 21:23									#5
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quote: The sound had previously gone down five times during the opening act of Cypress Hill, who eventually resorted to a five-minute drum solo, powerless to use any of their other instruments.

Teehee! Never a problem for the Berlin Philharmonic!

	22-06-2003 21:34									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's Interesting bit in the Times today which suggests that rap is the new entertainment for middle-class whites to watch with amusement at blacks..dunno about that, but I think this form of "music" is on its way out. It's hardly innovative.

Cypress Hill! That's soooo 9 years ago.

Yeah, I get the bad feeling that some middle class whites like hip hop because they see it as a sort of minstrel show.

Middle class white kids really like rap for the two main reasons middle class white kids always like a form of music: (1) Rap and Hip Hop tweak paretal figures. It's why kids liked Little Richard, Elvis, Jimi Hendrix, the Sex Pistols, the Clash, Nirvana, etc. etc. Eminem just says really shocking and politically incorrect things. Kids see adults get worked up over it, and buy the albums. (2) Rap and Hip Hop, at their best, are genuine challenges to the status quo. Genuine rebelion against an unjust order. I'm talking here about the more politcal stuff. Of course, the popularity of things like A$$ Clown Posse are just indecypherable (or I'm just old!).

	22-06-2003 21:35									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Teehee! Never a problem for the Berlin Philharmonic!

The Berlin Phil. needs a drum machine - then it will be more dancible!

	22-06-2003 21:40									#8
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quote: Originally posted by FrustratedPoet I think that says a lot about his popularity over here.

yep, be sure to check out his next tour date, at the harrogate working men's club

	22-06-2003 21:40									#9
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quote: Originally posted by The Templar The Berlin Phil. needs a drum machine - then it will be more dancible!

Pffft. They do have a drum machine--he's called a percussionist.

	22-06-2003 23:24									#10
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hey I still like Cypress Hill

Their songs Rock superstar and Rap superstar are only a couple years old.

	22-06-2003 23:27									#11
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More white middle class suburb lamers making pointless attack on rap... Its as lame as whiggers thinking theyre black

	22-06-2003 23:34									#12
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I don't like Eminem either as a performer or a lyricist... but at least he had the balls to play the UK.

Compare with a lot of "superstars" who wouldn't dream of doing a gig over here.

As for Milton Keynes, it's got a huge capacity compared to the average Brit venue.

And yes, I think Cypress Hill are still pretty current. The fact they've been around for while is neither here nor there, unless your attention span is less than 30 seconds.

	22-06-2003 23:39									#13
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Rap is ALWAYS bad in concert.

But there is still alot of good stuff out there but unfortunatley alot of it is getting watered down.

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quote: Originally posted by Cruddy And yes, I think Cypress Hill are still pretty current. The fact they've been around for while is neither here nor there, unless your attention span is less than 30 seconds.

Not in the US they aren't. I don't know about the UK.

And Boris, have you heard of a group called Digital Explosion from Finland? They do some electronic versions of classical songs and some classically inspired electronica. If you like to see people play with arrangements, check it out!

	22-06-2003 23:48									#15
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I saw Coolio at Loolipalooze one year. The lone black act

He was alright. But he perfromed during the daytime- and the mood just wasn't there. Plus nearly everyone in the audience was white

Cypress Hill keeps trucking along. they will never be as popular as their insane in the brain years, but rap/rock superstar were moderate hits for them.

I kind of like that Emimen song lose yourself. but the guy just looks like a ****er. And I don't want to know about his ****ed up family life with his mother

	22-06-2003 23:57									#16
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YOu want to do his mom, huh Diss?

	22-06-2003 23:59									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Rap is ALWAYS bad in concert. But there is still alot of good stuff out there but unfortunatley alot of it is getting watered down.

I wouldn't agree. I've only been to 1 (yes, one) pure rap concert but it was well worth the ticket price (Ice T on the OG tour).

Ice seemed lame, the support acts were much better - that's because he was mixing them, and the engineer mixing him was an idiot.

As for there being a lot of good stuff out there - I really couldnt comment.

	23-06-2003 00:05									#18
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i disagree with ted also. ive seen blackalicious, del, ugly duckling, J5 and many more in concert, and it was fun.

	23-06-2003 00:09									#19
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Jurassic and ugly duckling... great shows.

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Jurassic is good.

They have a pure sound.

	24-06-2003 22:51									#21
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rap is always garbage performed live on stage... no microphone and speaker set up has been invented that can pick up every word a rapper says and have it be heard clearly by thousands of loud ass fans... add in a pounding beat and the tendency for there to be a whole crew of hype men shouting every two seconds and it's clear that you can never understand a rapper on stage. and thats not even mentioning the fact that the words a rapper says are difficult to pick up unless you memorized the song are have been listening to rap for years and are used to listening intently.

but yeah i've never gone to a rap concert or nothing. they're always garbage. it's better to hear them on the album or at small shows.


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	24-06-2003 22:54									#22
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i like some greek hip hop music and lyrics.
very acidly critisizing

	24-06-2003 22:54									#23
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as for the minstral thing... as much as i hate suburbans, i don't think thats the case with rap. the old minstral shows were purely for making fun of Blacks... no rap fan puts on a 50 cent song and starts laughing at the man.

i do think it's suburbanites wanting to play gangster that gets them into rap though.

	25-06-2003 00:06									#24
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Yeah, thinking they are tough and have nine inch willies because they listen to a bit of shouting.

	25-06-2003 01:05									#25
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quote: no rap fan puts on a 50 cent song and starts laughing at the man.

indeed. i was too busy because of how god awful he is :/

	25-06-2003 01:29									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Rap is ALWAYS bad in concert. But there is still alot of good stuff out there but unfortunatley alot of it is getting watered down.

Ludacris and Ja Rule sound as good live as on album. Of course, depending on your opinion of them, that might not be saying much.

	25-06-2003 02:27									#27
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Smackin up my *****
Totin me a gun
Eat a ham sandwich
Rap it aint no fun

Unh Unh Unh Unh
Do it wit me!
Unh Unh Unh Unh

(Unfortunately that's whut a lot of rap is. Then again, a lot of country consists of "my pickup won't start and my dog just died" and a lot of pop consists of "oops I did it a*bluuuuuuuuurt*gain" and a lot of metal consists of "we are eaten by the machine". My point? Rap being bad or repetitive is a stereotype. Pop and/or country and/or metal being bad or repetitive is a stereotype. If you want to judge music, go song-by-song, don't just diss an entire genre. )

	25-06-2003 02:40									#28
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	25-06-2003 03:13									#29
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Jaguar warrior:

what the hell are you talking about? Ja Rule is several levels worse in concert than on his albums... you might not like his voice and all that but on the cds, he comes off clear and smooth... i saw him on tv on snl i think and he mumbled horribly and couldn't even rap a couple lines straight without pausing for a breath.

he's what a lot of people call a studio rapper. with punch-ins and all that editing ****, he sounds good but he can't do anything outside a studio.

(although he did sound surprisingly good when he was on rapcity)

	25-06-2003 03:43									#30
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Why can you not understand a rapper in concert but you can any other vocalist?

...because a rapper's CD is pieced by PRO-TOOLS and they sound as sh*tty as they do live in any other atmosphere. You honestly think the garbage performance has something to do with SUPA HYPED FANS and bad microphones?