24-06-2003 19:48									#1
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Inspired by another thread...

Our group usually plays without AI's in MP games. However, if somebody drop out or has to leave for the evening, in many cases, the rest will continue on.

What are the differences that you see in having AI's in the game.

For us, the big difference is city bribing... While we don't allow it, the AI doesn't follow that rule. The minute an AI takes over, I start padding my bank account more than I might normally do to make it more expensive for the AI... I also patrol more agressively around my cities near the AI to keep those units from strolling up and bribing my cities...

How do having AI's in the game effect your strategy?

	24-06-2003 20:22									#2
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ai's in mp games drive me crazy. i hate them. that said, i will immediately attempt to capture all their cities.

	24-06-2003 20:24									#3
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I'll find that mountain on the border with civ's that I'm at war with. (which is usually everyone ) and put that vet defensive unit on along with a dip and watch the AI pummel itself against it.

And I will make a beeline towards their land with settlers since the AI usually stops expanding. (at least relative to Human Players)

And finally, besides some of the patrol techniques that MIng mentioned) I'll station some dips in reach to bribe border cities back. And disband multiple move units from possible target cities. So they can't bribe the city then use that unit to pick off the diplo. One doesn't need much mobile defense against the AI's "one unit at a time offense".

The most annoying thing that even though we play that you must decline all contacts attempts, sometimes your wussy senate decides otherwise.

RAH

	24-06-2003 22:33									#4
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the senate pisses me off......

	25-06-2003 01:04									#5
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Especially when your opponent moves those cats up next to your city, and the senate won't let you attack them. You have to revolt to save the city and may spend a few turns in anarchy.

	25-06-2003 01:49									#6
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I usualy gift them seafaring and rep and bombard them with caravans.

	25-06-2003 02:01									#7
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That works against the AI, but not against most humans.

But I guess there's still a few trade whores out there.

	25-06-2003 02:09									#8
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quote: Originally posted by rah That works against the AI, but not against most humans. But I guess there's still a few trade whores out there.

isn't that the point. he does it to ai, not humans

	25-06-2003 02:21									#9
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Yes, I love it when they build col and go rep

	25-06-2003 02:30									#10
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agreed, but there are a few humans that would work on too.

	25-06-2003 04:42									#11
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I don't recall ever playing a MP game with an AI.

	25-06-2003 06:13									#12
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i avoid it like the plague, then again, when i drop, there is an ai for these guys

	25-06-2003 17:13									#13
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Once or twice over the years we added AIs when we were dueling to try to add some spice. Needless to say, we haven't done that in a long time.

	25-06-2003 18:19									#14
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We played the bribe the ai rule last weekend - hydey and trev played. There were 7 civs, 4 ai. I didn't see any bribing going on but hydey hammered the Aztecs destroying most of their cities.

The practice was allowed mainly to get the f*ckers out of the game more quickly and because they'd do it to us.

Later in the game when players have more cash I expect to see the ai civs "bought out".

	25-06-2003 18:33									#15
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HEY!. Your not allowed to do it to my civ.

	25-06-2003 18:48									#16
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I always figured if you allowed that, the person that was located nearest would have to great of an advantage, since it's so much easier to wipe out an AI vs a Human opponent.

	25-06-2003 22:07									#17
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ESPECIALLY SINCE THE AI BUILDS ON SHITE TERRAIN...

	25-06-2003 22:22									#18
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Its conditioned to 1x production.

	25-06-2003 22:49									#19
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Yep, which really annoys me when your city grows and it picks a square to work thinking you're in 1x.

	26-06-2003 02:45									#20
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the game places for growth not trade or production which means the human player will always be handicapped against the ai..even though its a small handicap....kinda like my golf game

	26-06-2003 03:06									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Makeo HEY!. Your not allowed to do it to my civ.

I figured I better hit the aztecs while I had the chance, its usually the other way around

	26-06-2003 03:09									#22
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i finally figured it out....Hydey is really Baron O with an accent

	26-06-2003 03:14									#23
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having spoken to Baron O on ICQ phone I will take that as a compliment.

He on the other hand may feel insulted.

	26-06-2003 04:59									#25
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quote: Originally posted by rah I always figured if you allowed that, the person that was located nearest would have to great of an advantage, since it's so much easier to wipe out an AI vs a Human opponent.

Can be the case.

Otoh, if one player is constantly subject to ai attacks and the other players aren't, then it can be a big disadvantage because the others will zoom ahead. So we've taken the view in past games that its better to get them out of play as quick as possible by any means.

We usually only get ai civs these days when a player drops out of the game.

	26-06-2003 06:59									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Inspired by another thread...

he he

So, what is AI?

Alexander's Influence?

	26-06-2003 17:18									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse Can be the case. Otoh, if one player is constantly subject to ai attacks and the other players aren't, then it can be a big disadvantage because the others will zoom ahead. So we've taken the view in past games that its better to get them out of play as quick as possible by any means. We usually only get ai civs these days when a player drops out of the game.

Well that is the biggest advantage, YOU CAN take them out quickly.

	26-06-2003 17:26									#29
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not so easy on 1x without bribing - the effort of fighting could put you too far behind on science and wonders. If you get an agggressive ai next to you it can be a real pain - like getting a barb hotspot.

really 1x and 2x are totally different games.

	26-06-2003 17:43									#30
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Yes, but like you guys, we don't start with an AI, so by the time someone leaves you have the infrastructure in place, so fielding the army necessary to take it out isn't a problem. I'll take an AI next to me rather than Berz or War4.