26-06-2003 00:33									#31
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Niemand hat die Absicht eine Mauer zu bauen

(nobody means to build a wall, Ulbricht in July of '61)

	26-06-2003 00:40									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed "If America is a humble nation, we will gain the respect of the world."

See, that one is probably true. Sadly, we'll never know for certain.

	26-06-2003 00:46									#33
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hey, bush said it, not me...

	26-06-2003 00:47									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Japher However, he could of really avoided such confussion (which regarless, does exist) had he merely said Ich, auch... thus, verbally including him amonst the others... Anyway, it is still a falsehood that Kennedy is a Beliner, which is what this thread is about..

You're not looking at the context again. He wasn't saying that he, JFK, was a literally a Berliner, which is why he was told by the translator to say "ein Berliner."

It should also be noted that even in saying literally "I come from [place]," it is grammatically correct to use the article in certain regions of Germany, which include Bavaria and the Northeast, where Berlin is located.

	26-06-2003 00:48									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's "Give me freedom ir give me death". I'd rather live slightly less free than be buried six feet under.

Yes, well the problem is that the oppressed don't get to choose the degree of freedom that they are allowed by the oppressor - as was the case with a certain 18th century English colony....

	26-06-2003 00:50									#36
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As I have said Boris, he wasn't saying it literally in one sense or another, he said it as a proud thing to say. So he did mean it literally, in that way. But not for him, but for the ones listening.

	26-06-2003 00:58									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion As I have said Boris, he wasn't saying it literally in one sense or another, he said it as a proud thing to say. So he did mean it literally, in that way. But not for him, but for the ones listening.

I think this is what I've been trying saying

The translator gave the phrase to him quite deliberately with the "ein" because Kennedy wanted it to be unambiguous that the phrase was not literal, but metaphoric.

	26-06-2003 00:59									#38
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"A stich in time saves nine"

What the **** does that mean? Nine what?

Boris, I'm starting to think you have a thing for JFK.

	26-06-2003 01:02									#39
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Nine more stitches!

If you maintain something, you wont have to fix it.

	26-06-2003 01:18									#40
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quote: Ich bin ein Berliner.

everywhere in Germany they call the jelly doughnut Berliner. with one exception: in Berlin we don´t say Berliner, but Pfannkuchen. that´s why Berlin was the only German city, where Kennedy could have made this famous quote without causing a big laughter among the crowd.

quote: "It's better to let 10000 guilty men go free than kill an innocent"

and let it be a million and I still agree.

	26-06-2003 01:31									#41
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where in Berlin are you?

just returned from there today.

	26-06-2003 01:37									#42
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Crosshill

	26-06-2003 01:43									#43
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I was completely baffled for a moment. Then I understood. Then the smiley appeared.

So you're not in Berlin right?

	26-06-2003 01:44									#44
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my parents are in Spandau. you know where BeBro lives? (quickly before he turns up )

	26-06-2003 01:46									#45
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quote: my parents are in Spandau.

Spandau? I thought you were in Berlin.

I have no idea where BeBro lives. I´m even surprised he´s a Berliner.

	26-06-2003 01:47									#46
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quote: "A stich in time saves nine" What the **** does that mean? Nine what?

It's a historical reference. Because the US Supreme Court reversed itself on its New Deal jurisprudence (the 'stich in time') it saved NINE justices on the bench... or else FDR would have packed the court.

	26-06-2003 01:48									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion my parents are in Spandau. you know where BeBro lives? (quickly before he turns up )

How's the ballet?

Another:
"I hold in my hand the names of 57 card-carrying Communists"

	26-06-2003 01:49									#48
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I think he is...

	26-06-2003 02:01									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon "A stich in time saves nine" What the **** does that mean? Nine what?

Ignoring Imran's strange answer, I think Japher has it right. It refers to sewing up holes in your clothes. If you fix a small hole quickly, it won't require many stitches. If you wait, the hole gets bigger and takes nine times as many.

	26-06-2003 02:04									#50
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I'm in C-town down the way to D-town, but my parents reside in Spandau.

Is Kreuzberg nich voller Asozialer?

Oder bin ich mit so ner Frage an der falschen Adresse?

	26-06-2003 02:07									#51
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quote: Is Kreuzberg nich voller Asozialer?

ja, am Kottbusser Tor z.B. ist es ziemlich schlimm. aber das kannst Du Dir ja selber denken.

	26-06-2003 02:15									#52
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Is echt finster, kann ich mir denken.

Gib mal n Tipp wo man in der großen City billig aber gut wohnen kann, will da studiern.

	26-06-2003 02:20									#53
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"german people piss me off"

	26-06-2003 02:21									#54
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--->pm

	26-06-2003 02:49									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Sava "german people piss me off"

...and who made that quote..?

	26-06-2003 02:56									#56
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"This thread is toast" (Various mods)

Now, if it was "This bread is now toasted" it might make sense...

	26-06-2003 03:15									#57
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Thanks to all for clearing up the stitch thing. I'd always thought it meant losing nine things out of your pocket.

Well this week's prize for lateral thinking obviously doesn't go to me.

	26-06-2003 03:55									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui It's a historical reference. Because the US Supreme Court reversed itself on its New Deal jurisprudence (the 'stich in time') it saved NINE justices on the bench... or else FDR would have packed the court.

Did you come up with this patently absurd answer yourself, or did it come from somewhere else?

The phrase has been around since 1732 at least, when it was used as a slogan for a seamstress.

All it means, as has been stated, is that prompt attention to a problem quickly will save further problems down the road.

	26-06-2003 04:01									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Did you come up with this patently absurd answer yourself, or did it come from somewhere else?

Come on, that's not as bad as the guy who thought "hypocrite" was from a man named "Hypocrates".

Or the guy who didn't know what the "nine" were.

	26-06-2003 04:03									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion my parents are in Spandau.

Prison?