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Park Avenue is offline Park Avenue
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"It's better to let 10000 guilty men go free than kill an innocent" Rubbish..

"Give me freedom ir give me death". I'd rather live slightly less free than be buried six feet under.

"If at first you don't succeed, try, try, try again". Er..how about learning from why you didn't succeed and trying a different approach.

"A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush". This can't have been a straight guy writing this.

Add your own..

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"It's better to let 10000 guilty men go free than kill an innocent" Rubbish..


I suspect you don't want to be that innocent, Stew.

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"Curiosity killed the cat." - that one really bugs me; maybe the cat was stupid (like this thread ), maybe the cat was slow... heck curiosity is the offspring of ignorance, so wouldn't be safer to say that ignorance killed the cat?

"All your base are belong to us" - this doesn't even make sense

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"It's better to let 10000 guilty men go free than kill an innocent" Rubbish..
The actual quote is: 'It's better that 10 guilty men go free than one innocent man be in jail.'

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"If a single British bomb falls on Berlin, you can call me Meier" (Herman Goering).

"If you are going to tell a lie, tell a big lie" (Josef Goebbels)

"Rivers of blood rant rave looney" That right wing idiot who most people have forgotten about.


"I don't see why you would need a hard drive bigger than 40 Mb" Me, back in the days when 40Mb was a big hard drive.

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"Ich bin ein Berliner"

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quote:

The actual quote is: 'It's better that 10 guilty men go free than one innocent man be in jail.'



I guess if it isn't famous, it isn't right. Bodds, your title's getting better all the time.

Besides, your second quote should be Patrick Henry:

"I know not what course others may take,
but give me liberty or give me death!"

http://libertyonline.hypermall.com/henry-liberty.html

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quote:
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"Ich bin ein Berliner"


Why is that funny?

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Because what he said translated to "I am a jelly doughnut." I thought everyone had heard of that one.

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Because what he said translated to "I am a jelly doughnut." I thought everyone had heard of that one.


Ah, the "jelly doughnut" myth. And here I thought everyone knew that was an urban legend.

What Kennedy said was precisely correct for what he wanted to say, you can ask a native German speaker. You'll note that nobody in the crowd laughed when he made this supposed "gaffe"--they cheered loudly.

On they contrary, had he said "Ich bin Berliner," he would have confused the crowd. The context of this statement was that the world would be "one with Berlin," which is what he said when he said "Ich bin ein Berliner." Had he said the other, he would have been saying literally that he resided in Berlin, which was not true.

That there is a pastry called "Einberliner" [sic?] is irrelevant. If someone said to you, "I am Danish," would you think he were a pastry? Should we assume a resident of Frankfurt who says, in English, "I am a Frankfurter" is a hotdog? "I am a New Yorker"--am I a magazine?

Kennedy was not dumb and worked diligently with a native German linguist to say precisely what he wanted to say.

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Because what he said translated to "I am a jelly doughnut." I thought everyone had heard of that one.


That's half true. A "Berliner" is a type of jelly donut made in Berlin. However, literally, that phrase does mean "I am one with the people of Berlin". But he would have saved confusio if he had simply said, "Ich bin Berliner".

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Ah, the "jelly doughnut" myth. And here I thought everyone knew that was an urban legend.

What Kennedy said was precisely correct for what he wanted to say, you can ask a native German speaker. You'll note that nobody in the crowd laughed when he made this supposed "gaffe"--they cheered loudly.

On they contrary, had he said "Ich bin Berliner," he would have confused the crowd. The context of this statement was that the world would be "one with Berlin," which is what he said when he said "Ich bin ein Berliner." Had he said the other, he would have been saying literally that he resided in Berlin, which was not true.

That there is a pastry called "Einberliner" [sic?] is irrelevant. If someone said to you, "I am Danish," would you think he were a pastry? Should we assume a resident of Frankfurt who says, in English, "I am a Frankfurter" is a hotdog? "I am a New Yorker"--am I a magazine?

Kennedy was not dumb and worked diligently with a native German linguist to say precisely what he wanted to say.




Yes, but isn't it so much better to think that he said "I am a jelly doughnut"? Why can we not just pretend.

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But he would have saved confusio if he had simply said, "Ich bin Berliner".


Nope, he would have confused his audience. That wasn't what he wanted to say. His audience was not confused at all--the Germans in attendance cheered enthusiastically.

The confusion is being made by English speakers who are relying on a far too-literal view of German without regard to the nuances of figures of speech. "Ich bin ein Berliner" was the only way of conveying what he wanted to convey.

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Yes, but isn't it so much better to think that he said "I am a jelly doughnut"? Why can we not just pretend.


Not for me. I enjoy disabusing people of their false notions.

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Ah, the "jelly doughnut" myth. And here I thought everyone knew that was an urban legend.


Yes yes. My answer was party tongue-in-cheek, as was your question I suspect.


quote:
What Kennedy said was precisely correct for what he wanted to say, you can ask a native German speaker.


I've heard different accountings. This on claims it that you could still translate it the other way, much as saying "I am a Pole" can either mean a resident of Poland or a narrow cylinder. Of course, noone would translate it that way, but hey, puns are amusing in any language.

But enough of that, back to the amusing quotes. Noone has mentioned the obvious anonymous ones:

"The check's in the mail."
"I'll still respect you in the morning."
"I'm from the government and I'm here to help."

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Boris never claimed it couldn't be translated that way.

Jelly doughnuts aren't called Berliners in Berlin anyway but Pfannkuchen, like pancakes, that are called Plinse. Or Eierkuchen.

And Boris, you might be right about all those nuances, but in effect it doesn't make much of a difference if you say "Ich bin Berliner" or "Ich bin ein Berliner", the crowd would have cheered anyway.

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"I am a Pole" can either mean a resident of Poland or a narrow cylinder. Of course, noone would translate it that way


I often have.

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Oh, and he wasn't even saying that he was one. He said 2,000 years ago the proudes boast was I'm a Roman citizen, today in the world of freedom the proudest boast is I'm a citizen of Berlin, so "Ich bin Berliner" would have been even more correcter.

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Erm...what the French Connection United Kingdom is a jelly doughnut anyway?

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Erm...what the French Connection United Kingdom is a jelly doughnut anyway?


It's a euphanism. Think about it.

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This is why I didn't respond to Boris' question. I knew he would try and find falicy in an otherwise ambiguous statement at the least.

However, he could of really avoided such confussion (which regarless, does exist) had he merely said Ich, auch... thus, verbally including him amonst the others... Anyway, it is still a falsehood that Kennedy is a Beliner, which is what this thread is about..

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"I'm from the government and I'm here to help."


I like that one...

Also, "Not available in any store"... to only go and see it in the store the next day...

 
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