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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:29
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So when do you guys think it happens?
To me, it's clearly a matter of time when dedicated hackers are angry to RIAAs arrogance. Don't ever underestimate the power of these guys, hackers from all over the world.
RIAA is clearly staring a war against file-sharing, suing people left to right for ridiculous amounts of money and pressuring. So, when does the community strike back?
Organized big attacks, where they destroy their networks, give them something else to think about than suing people who shares files? What do you think will happen? I see it only as a matter of time, and RIAA WILL lose.
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Whaleboy
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Please make all cheques payable to Whaleboy
Jan 2003
time: 05:29
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Go hacker!!!
When I buy a CD, its mine, I can do as I wish with it, including let people listen to it. Its not stealing anyway, economically speaking, by downloading or distributing a file, I am merely reducing the size of their POTENTIAL market, something that happens everyday in the turbulent world of consumer economics, including to a far greater extent, bad album reviews etc.
Business must evolve to cope with new technologies, and must work with people like hackers as opposed to against them, history has shown that the hacker will prevail (If I want to copy a protected cd, I'll shove a phono lead from my cd player into my soundcard, and record, its less convenient than cdparanoia, but hey I can cope, I like having my entire music collection on my HDD).
If business fails to evolve, then it will die, that is the nature of the free market, it is a double-edged sword. If these corps want to stay in business, they gotta stop moaning about power being taken from them and given to the consumer, and actually create products that will make them money.
In any war, the hackers have the tactical and moral advantage imo, also enormously useful tools and allies in open source software. The battle can only go one way, if we are given means to play the media they sell us, then we can copy it.
With regards to ownership, when I buy an album, it is mine, and the IP on it, I have bought a part share in it and thus free to do as I wish with the copy I have. A more radical and idealistic idea of mine is that once someone puts data in the public domain, it is public property.
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Sava
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GO GO GO!
Mar 2001
time: 23:29
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The RIAA has to prove that people downloading music would have normally bought their crap anyways. I have about 200-300 songs from artist and albums that I've downloaded that I would not have bought. It's not theft, no matter how much those Bentley driving, diamond wearing, Beverly Hills living *******s say it is.
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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:29
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Boris, I agree. They should realize it sooner than later.
They are using scare tactics, putting people to jail and suing them for huge amounts of money. As if it will help.
They trust, that when they throw away the big sharers, then at some point there will be nothing left to share. Also, that cows will fly.
Has this ever stopped anything? Not really.. People have been hacking into networks always, they are put in jail. Does it stop? Nope. Does it slow down hackers? No. Are there less hackers trying it? No.
What about groups that releases software, movies and games? They are put in jail, some were even arrested at gun point. Next to Bubba. Worldwide arrests where happening when notorious group was demolished that controlled the scene for YEARS, for example releasing windows 95. What happened? Few paranoid people babbling in forums, but eventually it only created more space to new groups to come into the scene, and older ones getting more secure. They work in cells now, just like terrorists. They don't know each other, only co-ordinators know their own cells, but the idea is that if one gets caught, he can't talk about others, as they don't know who they are, or nothing about them. They have scattered their sites too, only accessing to certain sites, not all groups sites. They use encryption, ssl-authentication, idents, and the whole nine yards.
You can throw 10 more operation Buccaneers etc. but it will not stop, they only makes them stronger and more organized, and the grass root leechers are not missing anything out, only getting more and more and easier and faster. It hasn't happened in that scene, so I can not expect it to happen in p2p-networks either, sincen the amounts of people using them and already hooked in them are just too huge. Peoples collective wisdom will always prevail RIAAs workers and their helpers. It is a fact.
So, that's why I agree with Boris, that instead of making it only harder for themselves, they should think about ways of benefitting from this and get with the program.
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