03-07-2003 00:55									#31
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Ecth,
Military leaders do the work, but the PREZ decides whether to go or not, considering Afghanistan was never conqueored by Russia and some critics said with the extremely tough terrain we had no chance. He made the decision to go and that takes some coconuts, considering recent history in that country.

Che,
If that is your platform, this conservative will vote for you and the other end of the spectrum.

	03-07-2003 00:57									#32
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so far there hasn't been a lot more success... the rooskies could have kept Kabul as well, they just tried to achieve more than we do these days

chegitz, what's your problem?

	03-07-2003 00:57									#33
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ah, it was directed at his presidency... hehe, che for prez!

	03-07-2003 00:59									#34
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they never even came close to knocking them out of the mountains, we at least have them in Pakistan and running for their lives. There is a huge difference here, you only don't see it if you don't want to.

	03-07-2003 01:04									#35
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I'd be proud to vote for man with those kind of platforms any day.

Beer! Bratwurst! Babes!
The beginings of something great I tell ya.

PS: I'm assuming liquor is included in your "Beer!" plan?

	03-07-2003 01:09									#36
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and it's free too?

	03-07-2003 01:20									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Defiant ESPECIALLY, if I value American soldier's lives.

You actually think some Arab in Baghdad is dumb enough (like they're watching TV without electricity anyway ) to say:

Booosh challenge us! We prove our manhood and mount our camels and charge the nearest M1A2 we find and die for Allah!



They've already learned enough about how we hit them to not **** with us in strength. They also know we're too thin to defend everything everywhere, so there's always isolated, undergunned troops to RPG.

	03-07-2003 01:33									#38
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Mtg,
27 of the did already attack the M1A2 with RPG's and they all met Allah. As I said in a previous post that if one of these guys cannot convince his buddy to join the cause Bush's words will not do it. However, if Bush does get through to these nutbags and piss them off, maybe they might try that attack on the M1A2 again, remember these guys are supposed to be fanaticals.
But I agree it would be pretty damn stupid to attack us in force.

	03-07-2003 01:38									#39
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Bush is a deserter...

Defiant: Afghanistan isn't done yet... other than Kabul, the US doesn't control hardly anything. The "coalition" has simply scattered them around. Now the country is in anarchy... just like Iraq.

	03-07-2003 01:46									#40
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quote: "I am shaking my head in disbelief. When I served in the army in Europe during World War II, I never heard any military commander -- let alone the commander in chief -- invite enemies to attack U.S. troops."

--- Sen. Frank Lautenberg NJ (D.)

in response to Bush... from http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N02256848.htm

	03-07-2003 01:46									#41
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Sava,
You are a hypocrit, we should get out of Iraq now and you are saying Bush is a deserter in Afghanistan, which is it Sava? BTW, we are still there and we control Afghanistan and we are starting to move in on the warlords. When you hear no news that is generally a good thing.

	03-07-2003 01:47									#42
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Sava,
Just to keep you up on current events, BAATH LOYALISTS AND TERRORISTS are already attacking us.

	03-07-2003 01:48									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Defiant Mtg, 27 of the did already attack the M1A2 with RPG's and they all met Allah. As I said in a previous post that if one of these guys cannot convince his buddy to join the cause Bush's words will not do it. However, if Bush does get through to these nutbags and piss them off, maybe they might try that attack on the M1A2 again, remember these guys are supposed to be fanaticals. But I agree it would be pretty damn stupid to attack us in force.

The result of the comment i think could go either way... I simply dont know the psyche of a fanatical muslim enough to come to any conclusion. But for the sake of my countrymen, i hope Defiant's take on it will happen, and not the more pessimistic veiws. Again, unless i have a really good understanding of everything involved, i dont like to make predictions.

	03-07-2003 01:50									#44
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slow moving dp.

	03-07-2003 01:51									#45
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Couple things---

Why, oh why, can't we have a President who does not talk like he just stepping out of a mediocre Hollywood action flick?

Since when are the Iraqis terrorists? I thought terrorists attacked civilians. These guys are attacking US military. They may be the enemy, yes, but they are NOT terrorists. To call them that cheapens the meaning of the word.

	03-07-2003 01:51									#46
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"plain spokeness" can also be the result of little wit. There are countless better ways to say somehting to the tune of :we will defeat the enemy and make the place better.

No one will carry out more attacks against Americans becuase of this statement. That does not mean it was not a tactess and poorly though out statement.

	03-07-2003 01:55									#47
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat You actually think some Arab in Baghdad is dumb enough (like they're watching TV without electricity anyway ) to say: Booosh challenge us! We prove our manhood and mount our camels and charge the nearest M1A2 we find and die for Allah!

IIRC, something like that was successfully performed on some of the initial forays into Baghdad. Some of the vehicles had loudspeakers which someone used to broadcast taunts in Arabic. Result: Angry Arabic males leaping out to express their rage only to be cut down. Evolution in action.

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GePap,
He is trying to draw them out, at least that is what I get from the message. It has to be blunt and offensive.

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Guy,
I am referring to Syrians and the outsiders that are attacking our men and women, whether they are military or not, I am not aware of a war decree with Syria, are you? And BTW, Iraqi civilians are dying, some electrical workers just died within that last week, so it does follow your definition of terrorism.

	03-07-2003 01:59									#50
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I am sorry, but to think that this will in any way affect the actions of those fighting us is absurd (either from your view or form that of his detractors). They won't "bring it on" becuase they are waging guerilla warfare and the point of that is not to come out an engage directly an enemy with vastly superior firepower.

This is a comment for public US consumption, as a such, as Gynemer said, at the same level as that from a cheap hollywood flick. He has very intelliegent writers on staff.

	03-07-2003 02:01									#51
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quote: Sava, You are a hypocrit,

perhaps... but not for anything I've said in this thread...

quote: we should get out of Iraq now

that's not what I said... in fact I think we need more troops in Iraq to fix things.

quote: and you are saying Bush is a deserter in Afghanistan,

No Bush is a deserter because he left his cushy post at the Texas Air National Guard...

quote: BTW, we are still there and we control Afghanistan and we are starting to move in on the warlords. When you hear no news that is generally a good thing.

Sure....

	03-07-2003 02:02									#52
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GePap,
Maybe, but don't think for a minute it won't reach over there, it will.

	03-07-2003 02:02									#53
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Defiant would this controle be actual controle or supposed controle? We are not in controle of all the occuppied areas unless you mean Air Superiority and regular military numbers how many irregulars are there now?In such political phase of a guerilla situation where the enemy is attempting to recruit it is comments like this that show our leader as having no regard for peace which help them.Our presence itself based on the weapons arguement is a failure.I think it increased the resistence alot and this serves to affirm a terrible Arab image of America and Americans.

	03-07-2003 02:05									#54
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quote: that's not what I said... in fact I think we need more troops in Iraq to fix things.

are you sure YOU think this? perhaps i have you confused with someone else on this subject...

	03-07-2003 02:06									#55
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quote: are you sure YOU think this? perhaps i have you confused with someone else on this subject...

We should not have gone into Iraq at that point in time. But since we are there, we need to do things right. I would prefer to see UN peacekeepers in Iraq, but regardless, the military presence... around 250k... simply isn't enough to keep the order among 23 million people.

	03-07-2003 02:07									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Sava No Bush is a deserter because he left his cushy post at the Texas Air National Guard...

Except he didn't.

Also, since when is flight school "cushy", especially on a Century Series interceptor?

But hey, repeat a lie especially in soundbyte format ("He's a deserter") and maybe people will start believing you, right Sava?

	03-07-2003 02:14									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Sinapus Except he didn't. Also, since when is flight school "cushy", especially on a Century Series interceptor? But hey, repeat a lie especially in soundbyte format ("He's a deserter") and maybe people will start believing you, right Sava?

Are you from the Bizarro world?

quote: . In his final 18 months of military service in 1972 and 1973, Bush did not fly at all. And for much of that time, Bush was all but unaccounted for: For a full year, there is no record that he showed up for the periodic drills required of part-time guardsmen. Bush, who declined to be interviewed on the issue, said through a spokesman that he has ''some recollection'' of attending drills that year, but maybe not consistently. From May to November 1972, Bush was in Alabama working in a US Senate campaign, and was required to attend drills at an Air National Guard unit in Montgomery. But there is no evidence in his record that he did so.

from http://www.boston.com/news/politics...ard_duty+.shtml

Bush was AWOL... that's a fact... if you're going to troll, some advice... troll something where you can't be proven wrong.

	03-07-2003 02:15									#58
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	03-07-2003 02:21									#59
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Translated from Bush-speak: "I'll fight them to the last GI."

For Repukes who like to pretend this isn't scummy, here's a thought experiment for you. Imagine that Bill Clinton just said that. How would you feel then?



Uh-huh, that's what I thought.

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