07-07-2003 23:20									#1
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Call To Conquest, a new mod, is now available in the Directory. Thanks, Locutus.


This is not a proper readme but just some preliminary remarks. I've tried to put most everything anyone needs to know into the Great Library. Check it out.

1) Quickstart: Strongly recommended to avoid early game tedium.

2) Barbarians: I never play with them. You probably won't need them, the AI players should be enough to deal with.

3) Map Size: Huge or Gigantic recommended. Not sure about oversized ones, but certainly nothing smaller.

4) Customize Map: I've changed the city's border radius in such a way that you really need a lot more land. So I recommend something like 30% water v 70% land.

4) Number of Civs: 8 recommended. Big numbers are probably not viable and less than this probably makes the game too easy.

5) Difficulty levels: Don't be too ambitious. Try Medium to get the hang of it. Actually, I've never tried it on impossible.

6) Diplomacy: You may get some early diplomatic agreements but generally your close neighbours don't like you. Once things start happening, it's always worth checking the 'Intelligence' screen though.

7) Strategies: Don't be deceived if the game seems to be quite easy at the start: a turtle strategy shouldn't work. Your goal is to conquor the world and you have to build up your Civ and then get on with it fairly quickly. And you can't count on 'taking them out one at a time'.

Known issues: If you use the Autopilot option so that your planes will automatically return to their airbases, you will find that occasionally Biplanes (only Biplanes) will run out of fuel. I'll try to fix this in a future patch.

Finally, here's the first patch. There were a couple of 'in development handlers' that I neglected to remove and I've made a tweak to some DiffDB settings. Unzip to your "Call To Power 2" folder.

Attachment: ctc_patch_070703.zip
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	07-07-2003 23:27									#2
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Cool Peter, I'll check it out

PS Do you use your unit_updater?

	08-07-2003 01:08									#3
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Yes, and there's lots of new stuff.

	08-07-2003 01:47									#4
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I may dust of my CTP2 disc and tear myself away from morrowmind on xbox to see this
what AI tweaks+diplomacy delights await us i wonder
nice and sneaky work Peter i didn't see this one coming!

	08-07-2003 03:11									#5
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From a first glace I saw a lot of slic code, that is amazing. Could you explain what the important slic files contain, IIRC you worked on a new version of diplomod, I like to know which file does it contain. And also the cross water invasion code.

By the way we need a new item about, so that everyone knows that there is something new in CTP2.

-Martin

	08-07-2003 03:20									#6
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I've been trying to post a news item for hours, but the news server seems to be down

	09-07-2003 01:36									#7
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Martin,

I tried out that diplomacy code that I wrote last year, but it just didn't work in this mod. This is supposed to be a totally military conquest orientated mod so there's not a lot of room for standard diplomacy.

Unfortunately, the Cross Water Invasion stuff has been put on hold. I had this game going where I thought "These guys should be mounting an amphibious assault". So I tried to code up what I would do if I were them. But it only worked on that map: when I tried it on different maps, it just wasn't general enough. We need better geographic functions that will allow us to deal with continents, oceans, and lakes. I've got some ideas about this, but I don't know if I'll ever have time to work them out.

If you've been playing it you'll have noticed that there's lots of new stuff. I'm starting to document it and will get back to you later.

	09-07-2003 02:00									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Peter Triggs Martin, I tried out that diplomacy code that I wrote last year, but it just didn't work in this mod. This is supposed to be a totally military conquest orientated mod so there's not a lot of room for standard diplomacy.

So developing the economy first and then going after your enemies is not the ideal strategy for this mod?

	09-07-2003 03:54									#9
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Well that's still the basic idea but I tend to build up my defenses a lot more than I used to.

	09-07-2003 22:36									#10
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Getting a cease-fire seems hard, let alone a peace treaty

The AI seems more aggressive and co-ordinated - I lost a few cities, including my capital

To help the AI further, it would make sense to tone down Bombardment - a couple of turns with a large bombardment stack makes taking a city easy. The AI does not seem to know how to do this, or how to counter it, so reducing the effectiveness of bombardment would help it.

Unit update only works when the units are in cities; and later updates don't catch anything that was missed the first time round, so armies in the field at the time of the appropriate upgrade miss out - could this be changed

	10-07-2003 00:33									#11
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I can't wait to try it out!

Too bad I'm working the next 6 days straight!

	10-07-2003 00:43									#12
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quote: Unit update only works when the units are in cities; and later updates don't catch anything that was missed the first time round, so armies in the field at the time of the appropriate upgrade miss out - could this be changed

How strange: that's the way the old updater worked. Have you tried using the sentinal button. Select an updatable unit in a city and press the sentinal button. You should first get a message asking if you want to update the unit and then a message asking if you want to automate the procedure.

	10-07-2003 00:48									#13
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I got this error message when I was unzipping the file:

Can't create output file: C\program files\activision\call to power2\ctp2_data\default\graphics\sprites\gu119.spr

Any thoughts?

	10-07-2003 01:06									#14
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Um, no. Anybody else get this? Did you get any other error messages.

gu119.spr is the Musketeer (red jacket with bearskin hat). It's in the zip and, AFAIK, this has been the standard number for it since MedMod.

	10-07-2003 01:53									#15
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No error messages up to Renaissance

Froze once, but loaded fine from autosave - not unusual for CTP2!

	10-07-2003 06:23									#16
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Yeah, I don't know why this happened. The latest Cradle loaded and works fine.

I'd appreciate any suggestions.

	10-07-2003 13:45									#17
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It happened to my Aias,

So what i did was unziped the Mod to another folder (Activision2\Call to Power 2\) or what ever (Not the REAL call to power location)

then i went into the newly made activision2 folder and highlighted the newly made call to power 2 folder and moved it over to the REAL activision folder. A Msg box came up stating there was already a folder called "Call to Power 2" and files may be overwriten so i clicked continue or yes (whichever the button was called)

And the job was done... bit primitive i know but it worked for me!

Peter Triggs- Nice Mod i havent had time to play it proper yet but it looks interesting

Last edited by Glen on 10-07-2003 at 14:07

	10-07-2003 14:47									#18
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quote: I got this error message when I was unzipping the file: Can't create output file: C\program files\activision\call to power2\ctp2_data\default\graphics\sprites\gu119.spr Any thoughts?

Probably this means the file already existed and your unzip program didn't want to overwrite it. If the rest of the files unzipped alright, the mod should work okay. If not, try to get your unzip program to overwrite (or skip) existing files and try to unzip again. What program do you use to unzip?

	10-07-2003 17:27									#19
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Locutus,

I had the same problem but it carnt be because Overwrite is disabled or switched off because it overwriten some of the files already??? Maybe i need to update my Unzip program but it has always worked fine before?

I use WINrar

	10-07-2003 18:18									#20
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I'm using WinZip. I used the self extractor that came with the CTC files.

I went in and had to manually pull about 5 sprite files, before it installed properly. I haven't tried playing it yet, but after I pulled the sprite files, Cradle still worked.

Yet another one of the great mysteries of life solved on the Apolyton CTP2 message boards!

	10-07-2003 18:37									#21
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Ive played 2 games so far both for about 150 turns each. I really like the increased effectiveness of mines (even on hills!) and the early taxation is very useful.

Ive lost a few cities in each game, mostly from the AI surrounding me with 6 or 7 size stacks until they knew they could attack and win, so im rushing for early catapults.

It would be good if you could make the bazaar more rewarding to build. In the default game it was +10% too and i never built it, maybe if it was 25 or +50% gold and twice production cost.

Theres not too many changes that its confusing to jump into and its really challenging. Now i should probably play more.

	11-07-2003 03:04									#22
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Some random thoughts

I assume the main reason for the submit option is to build Killer AIs, rather than have them stuck in pointless endless wars - seems a good idea

Ditto - Alliance

The first government change I got was Republic, which seems better than many of the later types - was I just lucky with my research, or does this reflect the tech tree. Similarly Modern Democracy seemed to arrive earlier than I was expecting

Unit updater works fine, now I understand what it does


No bugs seen, apart from CTP2's predilication to crash to the desktop in late game

	11-07-2003 04:50									#23
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Good that the unzipping problem seems to be under control.

Maquiladora

quote: It would be good if you could make the bazaar more rewarding to build. In the default game it was +10% too and i never built it, maybe if it was 25 or +50% gold and twice production cost.

How about +10% and 1 gold per citizen? I find myself struggling for gold until I get to the Industrial Revolution. I've got to adjust what happens after that because the gold can just pile up.

Myrddin:

quote: To help the AI further, it would make sense to tone down Bombardment - a couple of turns with a large bombardment stack makes taking a city easy. The AI does not seem to know how to do this, or how to counter it, so reducing the effectiveness of bombardment would help it.

I think you're right: bombardment is overpowered. The AI will bombard from within cities (if you have a stack next to one of it's cities, it will often bombard it). It will also use it's ships to bombard your coastal cities sometimes. But for a human player, being able to bombard does make taking cities quite easy. As you say, it needs to be toned down but I don't know by how much. If you can't take cities the game will stagnate. I remain to be sold on this 'History in your lunch hour' business (Rise of Nations, but I think Civ3 might have appropriated the slogan for their advertising); on the other hand, I think that one of the reasons why there's not a lot of people left around here is that the big mods have tended to be made for the core players who are really good at the game and happy to play for a lot of hours. Difficult.

quote: I assume the main reason for the submit option is to build Killer AIs, rather than have them stuck in pointless endless wars - seems a good idea

It was Lou Wigman's idea (See this thread) Immortal Wombat did the initial coding and I added the trigger conditions so that it was more event driven.

quote: The first government change I got was Republic, which seems better than many of the later types - was I just lucky with my research, or does this reflect the tech tree. Similarly Modern Democracy seemed to arrive earlier than I was expecting

There are three government 'threads':

quote: Right: Monarchy => Theocratic Empire => Fascism => Global Corporatism Center: Classical Democracy => Republic => Modern Democracy => Virtual Democracy Left/Other: Oligarchy => Theocracy => Communism => splits up here

Progressing along any thread should always take you to a better state. But I hope I got this right: Hex once remarked about how powerful the parameters in govern.txt are, and he sure wasn't kidding

quote: No bugs seen, apart from CTP2's predilication to crash to the desktop in late game

That is a major bug and shouldn't be happening. Any idea as to what might be causing it?

	11-07-2003 05:37									#24
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quote: Last edited by Peter Triggs on 11-07-2003 at 01:58

Too late, I saw what the original link was Have you been spying on me?

Edit: screwed up the attachment

	11-07-2003 05:48									#25
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2nd try: I witnessed a unique moment in CtP history today

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	11-07-2003 05:56									#26
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Damn rights. I'm not often in the Democracy Game forum.

	11-07-2003 21:39									#27
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quote: How about +10% and 1 gold per citizen? I find myself struggling for gold until I get to the Industrial Revolution. I've got to adjust what happens after that because the gold can just pile up.

That would be better, still even in say a size 10 city making 50 gold thats only an extra 15 gold to build the bazaar. Maybe it could be +15% gold and 2 gold per citizen? Just an idea but its a shame when a building isnt worth building at any stage but the AI *is* building it, which then puts the AI at a disadvantage to be wasting production on it when the human knows better.

To solve the problem of too much gold later on you could disable the bazaar when a more modern marketplace style building is built, so it isnt a cumulative gold benefit but just upgrades the bazaar to marketplace for +25% gold or something.

	12-07-2003 02:19									#28
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Crashes to desk-top in late game - I thought this was a feature in CTP2

No obvious triggers, reloading from autosave seems to work, but this has happened in vanilla CTP2 and all the mods, so I don't think there is a specific issue with CtC

It does amuse me to see the complaints in the forum about the 'bugs' in Civ3 - they have never met the pre-patch CTP2!

	12-07-2003 15:15									#29
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Myrddin, I'm 90% sure that the late game crashes to desktop are due to the pillage tile bug.
Martin wrote a patch for it, it isn't always included in the Mods so you'll have to download it yourself, i think it is in the File Directory somewhere or it was on one of the older threads.

EDIT: ok i've searched back over the most likely threads from the last year to find the file. I can't seem to find the thread with it in
It's not in the Directory so either this means that all the new Mods now have it incorperated as standard, or it has just been forgotten about as most 'regular' players don't get to the late stages often or just don't have the problem?
Martin or Locutus could this file be put in the directory if it isn't now part of all the Mods please

Last edited by child of Thor on 12-07-2003 at 16:04

	12-07-2003 16:48									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Peter Triggs Damn rights. I'm not often in the Democracy Game forum.

Or anywhere else for that matter You've been here for 3.5 years now and still only barely qualify for a custom avatar -- you're probably the most prominent lurker on these boards