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MACEDONIA - It's the name of the sovereign country to the north of Greece
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A lot of them do, don't they?
Of course, you couldn't tell someone from Georgia.S.S.R that things were getting better when things were going into the crapper.
That, and it would be very, very, very fishy if every S.S.R. was improving every year. Even though some people were a bit skeptical at the numbers back then, it would have been totally unbelievable if they doctored the numbers that much. |
You have no evidence, you have NOTHING!
and you want to destroy communism, you criminal...
Seriously, though:
As a person who actually IS from Georgia, things weren't going into the crapper.  . It's funny that these numbers indicate that some SSRs weren't improving for a couple of years in a row. how does that settle with your theory?
Cute theory, no evidence. Does that mean that you actually think that there is no reliable info on the SUs GDP?
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MACEDONIA - It's the name of the sovereign country to the north of Greece
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Why? It happens to western economies all the time. |
What do you mean? When the US economy moves, not all it regions move together. Right now some states are growing (as is the US as a whole) but some states are falling as well.
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There are many countries in the west who grow most of the time. THe proper scale isn't a region but a country.
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The IMMENSE fall in GDP after the fall of the SU is a well-know thing. That part seems to be right |
No, they looked at the actual pre-fall numbers, which Gorby kept around after he took power, which showed that actual GDP of the SU was much less than reported. It wasn't as near to the US as much as they thought (relying on 'official' Soviet numbers). It is harder to get the actual numbers from the Krushchev and Brezniv eras... and almost impossible to get them from the Stalin era.
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Ok, so what are the actual pre-fall numbers?
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I am sure that if the Federal Government will fall in the US, the dollar won't lose it's value AT ALL. |
It won't utterly collapse as badly. Why? Because economists won't come over from other countries and say that the value of the dollar was based on false reports.
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 you're kidding, right? If the government, the entire political system completly collapses, and is replaced by anarchy, basically, you think that the value of the dollar won't plummet?
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The Potterverse
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THe proper scale isn't a region but a country. |
But you are taking an entire region (USSR and Eastern Europe).
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Ok, so what are the actual pre-fall numbers? |
Since I don't have my 'Economics of the USSR and Russia' textbook, I can't give you exact answers... but IIRC, it was on the order of 1/4th to 1/3rd less than actual.
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If the government, the entire political system completly collapses, and is replaced by anarchy, basically, you think that the value of the dollar won't plummet? |
If there is another government waiting in the wings that most people would support? I'd think the dollar would fall, but not reach the depths of the ruble. The value may fall by half, but when you have a leader and a believed system to be put into place, it wouldn't totally collapse.
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MACEDONIA - It's the name of the sovereign country to the north of Greece
Apr 2000
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
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THe proper scale isn't a region but a country. |
But you are taking an entire region (USSR and Eastern Europe).
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Ok, so what are the actual pre-fall numbers? |
Since I don't have my 'Economics of the USSR and Russia' textbook, I can't give you exact answers... but IIRC, it was on the order of 1/4th to 1/3rd less than actual.
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I guess we'll wait for an answer for that one. ANYWAY, this is PPP we're talking about, not GDP, so I don't know how the USSR fabricated those.
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If the government, the entire political system completly collapses, and is replaced by anarchy, basically, you think that the value of the dollar won't plummet? |
If there is another government waiting in the wings that most people would support? I'd think the dollar would fall, but not reach the depths of the ruble. The value may fall by half, but when you have a leader and a believed system to be put into place, it wouldn't totally collapse. |
You're forgetting that:
-The country has split into parts.
-A sudden supply of USD dollars become available, dollars with which you could buy a wide variety of stuff. regular rules of supply and demand don't apply, because, that dollar was much more useful in the new enviroment, than in the Soviet era.
-The economy has stopped. Unlike in market economies, the economy won't continue to run, despite the fall of government. It's a completely different situation.
The premise that the fall of the ruble was because of bloated economy numbers is wrong. Since most currency doesn't actually mean anything, and is not attached to real value, the whole thing works on trust. There was no trust in the Ruble at that point, because the entire regime that printed the ruble was gone. Heck, even in the money was attached to actual valuables, the fact that the government was gone was quite enough a push to make it worthless.
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09-07-2003 02:19
The only link I see in this thread is to some small article.
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