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Norway Heads Quality of Life Index; Canada Miffed
Tue July 8, 2003 08:07 AM ET
By Evelyn Leopold
UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - Norway, Iceland, Sweden, Australia and the Netherlands ranked as the best countries in which to live in the 2003 U.N. Human Development report on Tuesday but Canadians were miffed.

The United States ranked seventh and Canada was eighth in the report that seeks to go beyond per capita income and include such factors as educational levels, health care and life expectancy in measuring a nation's well-being.

The report also gives a separate index for women's participation in political and economic fields, with surprising results. It says that women fare better in Botswana, Costa Rica and Namibia than they do in Greece, Italy and Japan.

But Canada, which had been in first place in the overall index of 175 countries for seven years until 2001, conducted its own poll, apparently timed to the U.N. report.

Canadian media reported that 89 percent of the country had an "absolute conviction that we have a better quality of life than the United States."

Canada's seven years of first place ratings had prompted Ontario province and others to use the U.N. index in its advertisements. Last year, Canada slipped to the third place.

Mark Malloch Brown, head of the U.N. Development Program that produces the index, said there was little difference among the top 10 rated nations. The change in Canada's status was due to new methods of calculating educational standards.

The overall index shows a decline in 21 nations in the 1990s while in 1980 only four countries among the 175 tracked by UNDP showed similar decade-long decline. South Africa, now in 111th place, fell 28 ranks from 1990 because more people died younger from AIDS-related illnesses.

Roughly half the countries in Latin America and the Caribbean recorded either a decline or stagnation in income during the 1990s. In Eastern Europe and Central Asia per capita income also fell, with steep drops in Russia, Moldova, Tajikistan and Ukraine.

The top ranked nations were: Norway, Iceland, Sweden, Australia, Netherlands, Belgium, United States, Canada, Japan, Switzerland, Denmark, Ireland, Britain, Finland, Luxembourg, Austria, France, Germany, Spain and New Zealand.

Those with low development rankings, from 156th to 175th place, were: Senegal, Guinea, Rwanda, Benin, Tanzania, Ivory Coast, Malawi, Zambia, Angola, Chad, Guinea-Bissau, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Central African Republic, Ethiopia, Mozambique, Burundi, Mali, Burkina Faso, Niger and Sierra Leone.
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Worse than the Americans?!

"The change in Canada's status was due to new methods of calculating educational standards."

I'm surprised that the reason we fell so much was due to education, not, say, per capita income or somesuch. We'll need to get on that, I guess.

Ah well, at least we're still better than those godforsaken Brits.

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What's important to bring out of this:

Canada was #1 before Chretien and the Liberals came into power, Canada continually fell ever since. Now we're at #8.

Chretien wanted a legacy, and he has one.

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We're behind Belgium? WTF...

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Roughly half the countries in Latin America and the Caribbean recorded either a decline or stagnation in income during the 1990s. In Eastern Europe and Central Asia per capita income also fell, with steep drops in Russia, Moldova, Tajikistan and Ukraine.

The fall of the SU.

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Gangerolf You Bastard!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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CBC has some interesting insight into this:

Poor countries worse off: UN report


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Id hardly say 8th place in the world sucks... and who gives a damn about these reports anyway? As hard as they try, these things will always be too subjective to be worth much to me anyway.

Canada is a fine country, and i look forward to visiting soome day (cant say the same about Belgium )

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What's important to bring out of this:

Canada was #1 before Chretien and the Liberals came into power, Canada continually fell ever since. Now we're at #8.

Chretien wanted a legacy, and he has one.




The HDI only goes back to 1990 and Canada was number one for all but the last two years. That leaves about 7 years or so of Liberal rule to account for.

And you'll notice that the top 6 all have well developed welfare states.

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I also notice I would never want to live in any of the top 6.

They have a welfare state because it can't get much worse.

I mean, come on: Norway. LOL.

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I can't believe we did so bad.. #14.. after few crappy countries. It's a lie!

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Darn. Belgium dropped from fourth to sixth. Lower than the Netherlands?? I guess they didn't take political stability into account...

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Bah, we could be number 1 if we could get rid of those damn Walloons (=french-speaking commies). Flemish independence now!

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fell to #22 from #21, because of Spain climbing to #19 from #22. the rest of the neighbourhood have remained the same.

Well, that's cool. Hopefully, we can fix our education system, so we'd climb into the mid 10s.

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The report also gives a separate index for women's participation in political and economic fields, with surprising results. It says that women fare better in Botswana, Costa Rica and Namibia than they do in Greece, Italy and Japan.


I don't find that surprising. Japan, Italy, and Greece have always had very male-oriented societies and cultures.

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fell to #22 from #21, because of Spain climbing to #19 from #22. the rest of the neighbourhood have remained the same.

Well, that's cool. Hopefully, we can fix our education system, so we'd climb into the mid 10s.


Isreal is 22? how could a county that's pretty much been in an endless state of war/unrest be so high?

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I mean, come on: Norway. LOL.


Those were my feelings towards Canadawhen I visited last summer...

How the heck did that country ever get to 1st place?? As far as my eyesight/experience goes Norway is way ahead of Canada - concerning standard of living.

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Those were my feelings towards Canadawhen I visited last summer...

How the heck did that country ever get to 1st place?? As far as my eyesight/experience goes Norway is way ahead of Canada - concerning standard of living.


You probably visted Toronto, or the neighbouring area. That's what's holding us back.

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How's that?

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Toronto owns you and you love it.

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We're #7! We're #7!

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We're better than Canada!

If we can improve our skills at hockey, we'll have taken everything from those Canacom bastards.

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Well our teams have already taken the Cup for 10 years .

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It's a sign though. 7 is my lucky number and 7 was always my jersey number when I played hockey.. since day one it was my number. This is a sign..

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We need to win the Olympics, though, if we want to truly show our northern neighbors who's boss.

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Hell. I didn't need no stinkin' survey to tell me Canada sucks.
I thought that was common knowledge.

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Isreal is 22? how could a county that's pretty much been in an endless state of war/unrest be so high?


Because, thanks to the strength of our army, war has never reached us.


Oh, and look, we've got 907 Cellphone users for 1000 people.

damn, these are great statistics.


Finland: Patents given to residents per million people, in 1999: (get this!) 1! 1 patent per million people in 1999

Statistics sure are fun.

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I mean, come on: Norway. LOL.


Norway sends conservatives into apoplectic fits because it has an enormous living standard and a welfare state. Hell, if you're depressed, Norway will pay for you to take a vacation someomeplace warm, and you don't have to come back 'till you're feeling better. God I wanna be a Norwegian citizen.

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Norway sends conservatives into apoplectic fits because it has an enormous living standard and a welfare state.
It's the Socialist Saudi Arabia!

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