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The Last Word: Wesley Clark

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July 14 issue — For a self-described “nonpolitical” person, Gen. Wesley K. Clark finds himself in an unusual position: considering a run for the White House. Earlier this year, a grass-roots organization started a campaign to persuade the four-star general to run in 2004. Clark recently received more than a thousand letters from supporters in New Hampshire urging him to run, and last week draftwesleyclark.com opened its national headquarters in Washington, D.C.

FOR DEMOCRATS LOOKING to take back the Oval Office, Clark’s resume is a godsend—he spent 34 years in the military and served as NATO Supreme Allied Commander and commander in chief of the U.S. European Command from 1997 to May 2000. Clark has not yet decided to take the plunge, but his name has got America buzzing. NEWSWEEK’s Michael Hastings asked for his views on how Washington is handling its global role. Excerpts:

HASTINGS: What could you bring to table that the other candidates haven’t?
CLARK: I’ve never really addressed that issue. I’m considering this candidacy because a lot of people have confidence in me and have asked me to consider it. To me, it’s really about the issues. I saw it starting to go wrong before the [2000] election. I met with Condi Rice. She told me she believed that American troops shouldn’t be keeping the peace—they were the only ones who could kill people and conquer countries, and that’s what they should be focused on doing. What she was telling me [was] that she, as a potential Republican national-security adviser, didn’t support our engagement in Europe. So I saw it going wrong from there. Then, as the administration took office, I saw more and more what I believed were misunderstandings and missed opportunities.

Where does the United States go from here in Iraq?
You have to define what success is, and then you have to work toward it. I would define it politically. Put in place some kind of Iraqi government that [has] some semblance of democracy. The first thing I’d be doing right now [is] calling provisional, national, regional and local councils together from all parties before elections are held. I would ask for their assistance, their ideas and their support in producing security in the region first and guarding the remaining economic infrastructure. I would lay out to them the limitations of the United States’ capabilities. I’d try to get the Iraqis increasingly involved in taking responsibilities. Put an Iraqi face on all the actions that you can and as much of the decision making as possible.

Where does the United Nations fit in?
I’ve always felt the United Nations should have been involved. You need the U.N. for legitimacy, to get nations to cough up forces. They’re putting the troops in harm’s way; they want some credit for it from their electorate. And they’re not going to get any credit by saying, “Hey, we’re really good friends with George W. Bush.” It has to be theUnited Nations.

How is Iraq affecting the war on terror?
If you talk to the people on the inside, they all [say] you can’t do everything at once. I know the administration says it thinks it can, but the honest truth is if you’re looking one place, you’re not looking someplace else. Ultimately, Washington is sort of a one-crisis town.

What do you think of President Bush’s using war imagery as a political tool, like when he recently flew onto an aircraft carrier?
The world expects something more of an American president than to prance around on a flight deck dressed up like [a] pilot. He’s expected to be a leader. That’s my fundamental issue with it. It doesn’t reflect the gravitas of the office. Furthermore, it’s a little phony.

Where does military strength fit in concerning U.S. power?
It’s [a] question of three or four different things. A strong America is not strong only because of its military. Our strength comes from a robust, diverse economy and an engaged citizenry, and values, and a structure that other nations admire and emulate. The military is just one component of U.S. power.

What should Washington do to patch things up with its old allies in Europe?
In my vision of American national policy, we would seek the strongest possible linkage with Europe. I see a strong transatlantic alliance as the key fulcrum for all else America does in the world. I’m not sure the administration sees it that way.

If you decide to run, will you be looking forward to the political realm?
I love being in the business community. I’m thrilled at the prospect that someday I might be able to create jobs for other people. On the other hand, I’ve always liked the battle of ideas. And to me, competing in the political arena should be first and foremost about the ideas and perspectives that candidates would bring to the tasks, then following through on what’s been promised.

© 2003 Newsweek, Inc.


I must admit, I like this guy. He's saying the right things. I'd vote for him... especiallly against Bushy. I like his response to Bush's aircraft carrier photo-op.

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FOR DEMOCRATS LOOKING to take back the Oval Office, Clark’s resume is a godsend—he spent 34 years in the military and served as NATO Supreme Allied Commander and commander in chief of the U.S. European Command from 1997 to May 2000. Clark has not yet decided to take the plunge, but his name has got America buzzing. NEWSWEEK’s Michael Hastings asked for his views on how Washington is handling its global role.


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He has no domestic policy experience: his positions on abortion, school vouchers, gay issues, the tax issue, gun control, blah, blah , blah..all of that would come up.

He would make a great VP candidate. It was funny watching Bill Kristol on FOX break away form the pack and say that he believed that what Dean was doing, building up a huge base ofdonors, and leading the pack of dem.s in fundrasing, plus the fact that he was a governor and thus had executive experience made him a powerful candidate (his addemdun being that if the voters want to keep Bush, no dem has a chance of winning), and that if Dean took on Clark as VP, then that would be a powerfull ticket.

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here's the link, BTW

http://www.msnbc.com/news/934709.asp

Gepap: Dean/Clark would be a Bush-beater.... no doubt.

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Dean/Clark...hmmm...maybe I will consider voting Democrat in '04.

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Surely you guys don't want another president from Arkansas.

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Surely you guys don't want another president from Arkansas.
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Clark is far too behin in terms of fundraising and organization at this point to be a viable presidential candidate. The other Dems have collected millions already.

He seems to be positioning himself for a VP nod, indeed. Just think, if Kerry wins the nomination and picks Clark, you will have two Democrat war heroes versus two Republican chickenhawks. What would the military folks do?

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What would the military folks do?

[drooling cracker moron talk]
uhhhh support our president!
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The funny thing is that Dean leads the dems. in fundrasing with 7 million, from 50,000 different contributors. So he will get 7 million in gov. matching funds, and since most of his donors have yet tyo max out their individual contributions, he could easily get another 7 million, if not 14 million form this base (they would be topped out at over $1000 a piece (I am unsure if moving the cap up occured), so Dean would have to have raised 50 million to have topped out with his base).

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I really do not see what people see in Clark? What is so special about the guy?

So the guy is a general, big deal!?!

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*points up* First signs of Republican panic, ahhhh...

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I really do not see what people see in Clark? What is so special about the guy?

So the guy is a general, big deal!?!


Uhh, he was a general, and that is the big deal, in this "war" obssesed," support the troops, god bless our fighting men and women" times.

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so Dean would have to have raised 50 million to have topped out with his base


Which puts him about 1/4th of what Bush will raise for this election .

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*points up* First signs of Republican panic, ahhhh...


That is what it is all about, beating Bush no matter what, isn't it?

Democrats are so piss poor pathetic in national security, that they think a famous general who bashes Bush would give them a chance at winning.

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Which puts him about 1/4th of what Bush will raise for this election
that obscene figure should provoke outrage rather than compliment... but then again, when you give your constituency a huge fat government welfare check disguised as a tax cut, they can afford to give that money right back to you...

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That is what it is all about, beating Bush no matter what, isn't it?


Yes, Bush is bad for the US

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Democrats are so piss poor pathetic in national security, that they think a famous general who bashes Bush would give them a chance at winning.


If you whish to run wth this stereotype, go ahead. I guess you just won;t ask were all the money for Homeland security went....

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Which puts him about 1/4th of what Bush will raise for this election .


Yup, but its noice to know the president spends all his time making sure America is safe, and not eating hotdogs at a $2000 a plate dinner event.

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Democrats are so piss poor pathetic in national security, that they think a famous general who bashes Bush would give them a chance at winning.
Bush spent only 40 billion... (not even close to what he spent in welfare for the super-rich) and is failing at giving us security. Each day I see another report on how we're "vulnerable to attack" and "just as vulnerable as on Sept. 10th!".

Bush tough on National Security? pfffft smoke and mirrors... just another lie.

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that obscene figure should provoke outrage rather than compliment... but then again, when you give your constituency a huge fat government welfare check disguised as a tax cut, they can afford to give that money right back to you...


It's all hard money too .

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That is what it is all about, beating Bush no matter what, isn't it?


Not "no matter what," but you can't deny the heft Clark would bring to a ticket as a VP candidate.

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Democrats are so piss poor pathetic in national security, that they think a famous general who bashes Bush would give them a chance at winning.


Funny how we have a Republican president and congress, yet we hear constantly from experts that we are as vulnerable as we were before Septembet 11th. What has the GOP done for national security? Nothing, they've just used the situation for political gambits like the oh-so-wonderful Patriot Act and pretty photo ops for Bush.

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It's all hard money too
more like bribery and theft...

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It's all hard money too .


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more like bribery and theft...


Yes, giving money to support a candidate is exactly that .

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Yes, giving money to support a candidate is exactly that
nah... getting in office, then giving fat tax cuts, then giving that tax cut money back to the candidate... sounds like theft and bribery to me...

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt, Imran.

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Got spare money?

Seeing that President Jr. has led this country into two seperate wars under the banner of the "War on Terrorism," I'd feel more confidence in a President who has honest "military experience" under his/her belt than I would in an Oil Industry fat-cat who relies on others to tell him what is best. Someone with 34 years of "military experience" can certainly make better tactical decisions about combat than someone who's hardest decision prior to the "War on Terrorism" was figuring out how many "token minority" people he needed to add to his cabinent to appease the public's desire for diversity in Washington D.C.

Flying your well-to-do buddies around in the National Guard does not "military experience" make.

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Flying your well-to-do buddies around in the National Guard does not "military experience" make.
don't forget being AWOL for a year and a half.

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Bush spent only 40 billion... (not even close to what he spent in welfare for the super-rich) and is failing at giving us security. Each day I see another report on how we're "vulnerable to attack" and "just as vulnerable as on Sept. 10th!".

Bush tough on National Security? pfffft smoke and mirrors... just another lie.


There has not been a single attack against the US since 9-11. I call that success!

Bush has done many things that have made this country safer: he has created a department of homeland security that can implement and organize security measures on a national level, he has crippled Al queda and liberated Afghanistan from the Taliban, and eliminated Saddam's regime before it could provide WMD's to terrorists or destabilize the Middle East.

Those reports are completely false and just put out for purely political reasons.

Besides, the democrats would be far far worse. They are absolutely incapable of protecting this country.

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Seeing that President Jr. has led this country into two seperate wars under the banner of the "War on Terrorism,"


The war in Afghanistan was absolutely necessary. The only way to protect this country is by directly attacking Al Queda with military force. Going to the UN sure is not going to do anything.

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There has not been a single attack against the US since 9-11. I call that success!


There was no successful attack within the US from 1993 to 2001. By your defintion Bill Clinto did a stellar job at stopping Al qaeda during his terms.

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Bush has done many things that have made this country safer: he has created a department of homeland security that can implement and organize security measures on a national level


The whole Homeland security department is a neightmare: it should never have passed, but now that it has, Bush is underfunding it.

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as crippled Al queda and liberated Afghanistan from the Taliban


The Taliban is refomring in many areas, Al Qaedas top leadership remains

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and eliminated Saddam's regime before it could provide WMD's to terrorists or destabilize the Middle East.


Given no proof of Iraqi WMD's or working ties with Al qaeda, I have to call BS on this.

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Those reports are completely false and just put out for purely political reasons.


Do you have anything to back this Bald faced assertion?

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Besides, the democrats would be far far worse. They are absolutely incapable of protecting this country.


UNless you can see alternate dimensions, you have nothing to base this on. Yet another Bald faced assertion.

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There has not been a single attack against the US since 9-11. I call that success!

Bush has done many things that have made this country safer: he has created a department of homeland security that can implement and organize security measures on a national level, he has crippled Al queda and liberated Afghanistan from the Taliban, and eliminated Saddam's regime before it could provide WMD's to terrorists or destabilize the Middle East.

Those reports are completely false and just put out for purely political reasons.

Besides, the democrats would be far far worse. They are absolutely incapable of protecting this country.


How many years went between the WTC bombings the first time around and the attacks of 9-11-2001? And how many of those years was GWB President?

Afghanistan is still far from stable outside Kabul. Taliban remanents and petty warlords still hold a great deal of influence.

WMD's? Still waiting... "Burden of Proof" still lies on Bush's shoulders.

***DISCLAIMER - Yes, I still believe Saddam had/sought-to-develope WMD's, but feelings don't outweigh cold hard evidence.***

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Those reports are completely false and just put out for purely political reasons.


You do realize that is VERBATIM what some been saying about Bush Jr. and his "intelligence reports" all along, don't you?

 
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