11-07-2003 21:41									#31
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quote: Despite what Speer says, these programs have very limited effect. btw, I used to teach in an inner-city school.

btw, i used to attend an inner-city school

	11-07-2003 21:42									#32
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Take away their credit cards! Then they can't charge you anymore!

	11-07-2003 21:43									#33
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although like i said, these programs arent always there and kids return back to the corner eventually and some slip right through but i do credit them for the dramatic decline of gangs in philly.

	11-07-2003 21:48									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Back in the early 1990's though the police cracked down hard on these guys and they ended up with very long prision sentences.

Yeah, I think police crack down is what really hurts the gangs.

	11-07-2003 21:50									#35
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quote: Yeah, I think police crack down is what really hurts the gangs.

yeah let's throw all the young males into jails! so when they get out, they got police records and can't get jobs! that'll show them!

	11-07-2003 21:51									#36
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That will also only spread the gang problem in prisons.. that's why they should be sent to the army with a chance of clean record if they serve well and it was only minor offense.. They'd have to finish their high school in the army, and if you'd do good.. you'd get that finance for college. If you mess up the chance, then you go to jail.

	11-07-2003 22:02									#37
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I feel that the whole mess is based on a delussional pride of belonging to a certain group. These people will also forgo success to be held with greater estemee amongst those peers who were unable to obtain the success they gave up. Call it pure pressure, call it not being like to be called an oreo or a sell-out. Yet, if that pride can be erased, and instead relay that pride in to self appreciation then gang violence would turn into helping hands.

It is very hard to give help to people who don't want it, or to people who would abuse it so that they may stay within a certain social status with their friends and family.

How do remove this hateful pride? Education? Yeah, they would only use that as an outlet for further abuse. Social reform does not begin with government funding, nor with worthless social programs (of which there are many, I am not saying they are all worthless). Social reform begins with the people looking for opportunities, not just by supplying it.

Many people who take such opportunities end right back where they started because of pride and familiar ties.

Remove the worthless programs, and make it harder for one to acheive success so that giving it all up - in the name of pride- would be a lot harder to do.

Counter-productive? I don't think so. People are a lot more likely to give up something that was given to them for free, the for something they had to work for.

	11-07-2003 22:25									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka That will also only spread the gang problem in prisons.. that's why they should be sent to the army with a chance of clean record if they serve well and it was only minor offense.. They'd have to finish their high school in the army, and if you'd do good.. you'd get that finance for college. If you mess up the chance, then you go to jail.

They were sending them to bootcamp, and I think that was doing some good, but then people started complaining that it was violating their rights. Apparently some people think that just sitting around in jail was their right.

	12-07-2003 07:37									#39
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i used to favour militarizing inner city youth or at least having there be a paramilitary group for the young boys... but now i think the best bet is to bring more jobs into the city, have social programs, and release drug dealers, muggers, and other economic criminals if they go straight to high school, college, or trade schools (and their tuitions being paid for by the state which would save from keeping them locked up). the discipline of the military might be useful though.

	12-07-2003 07:39									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer i used to favour militarizing inner city youth or at least having there be a paramilitary group for the young boys... but now i think the best bet is to bring more jobs into the city, have social programs, and release drug dealers, muggers, and other economic criminals if they go straight to high school, college, or trade schools (and their tuitions being paid for by the state which would save from keeping them locked up). the discipline of the military might be useful though.

Do you have any idea how to get there?

	12-07-2003 07:41									#41
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Pekka you are a brawler I say come on over you can beat all of the gangbangers up...

	12-07-2003 07:42									#42
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Pekka would need guns...

	12-07-2003 07:55									#43
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how to get where, kid?

	12-07-2003 07:56									#44
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d2K can talk like a playa

	12-07-2003 07:57									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer i used to favour militarizing inner city youth or at least having there be a paramilitary group for the young boys... but now i think the best bet is to bring more jobs into the city, have social programs, and release drug dealers, muggers, and other economic criminals if they go straight to high school, college, or trade schools (and their tuitions being paid for by the state which would save from keeping them locked up). the discipline of the military might be useful though.

should we name you "Fuhrer"?

	12-07-2003 07:57									#46
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Speer, I want a Commie para-millitary group. Give them a cause to belive in. Viva la revolucion!!!

	12-07-2003 08:02									#47
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bah... step in line... the nation of islam, black panthers, new afrika panthers, afrikan revolutionary action committee, etc. have all tried to turn young males into militants... and with the except of the original black panthers, they're all pretty damn right wing (hell even the BPP was right-wing socially)

and when will you learn? communism is dead... i hope this is just a stage for you and you don't grow up to be like chegitz, templar, or sava

thanks

	12-07-2003 08:04									#48
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I'm not a commie...

	12-07-2003 08:05									#49
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Communism shall never go away, EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!

	12-07-2003 08:07									#50
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quote: Communism shall never go away, EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!

did your doctor tell you your scores directly or did you learn of them through your parents?

	12-07-2003 08:11									#51
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quote: did your doctor tell you your scores directly or did you learn of them through your parents?

wrong thread speerykins!

	12-07-2003 08:12									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer did your doctor tell you your scores directly or did you learn of them through your parents?

My doctor. Actually I took advantage of it because it was in Minneapolis. Mall of America anyone?

	12-07-2003 08:13									#53
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sava, you cant even get a joke...

	12-07-2003 08:13									#54
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quote: sava, you cant even get a joke...

hehe I got it buddy, but I thought it should be in the Intelligence thread...

	12-07-2003 08:14									#55
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alright i'm def too subtle...

when Odin said, "Communism shall never go away, EVER!!!!!!!!!!!! " that sounded real stupid, so i asked, did he learn the scores directly or did he get them through his parents (meaning Odin really had an IQ of 75 but his parents inflated it to 145)...

i guess i was too subtle... it wont happen again

	12-07-2003 08:15									#56
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Yep, sure Speer, just admit you posted in the wrong thread.

	12-07-2003 08:16									#57
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I got it Speer, don't worry... but nobody in this thread knows what you are talking about unless they read the other thread.

	12-07-2003 08:18									#58
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back on topic... there's been no communist movement to organize the inner city youth... all such militant movements have been comparatively right wing and they never got anywhere really.

maybe, just maybe a socially conservative marxist movement might gain some real meager popularity... but not your breed of marxism

	12-07-2003 08:18									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Sava I got it Speer, don't worry... but nobody in this thread knows what you are talking about unless they read the other thread.

Now everybody is going to read the other thread.

	12-07-2003 08:22									#60
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I think the young urban masses could be manipulated by anyone with enough charisma... regardless of ideology.

BTW, Speer, most of those "right-wing" groups you mentioned... well... they hate Republicans... Perhaps you should expand your understanding of political ideologies from a linear scale to something more accurate. It isn't just left/right, you know.