12-07-2003 08:05									#1
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I hate to say it but it's true. He's a crappy president, to start out with his foreign policy is the worst a US president has ever had I think. But who cares what the rest of the world thinks of you when they aren't the ones who put you in power?

Bush has the perfect scheme. He's not doing too well as a pres, so he finds out the perfect way to gain popularity. He starts talking about how we have to eliminate evil in the world, starts making up stories about how Saddam will kill us all if we don't get him first. He talks about how evil Saddam is and makes us feel morally obligated to support the war and help get the world rid of evil. It gets us all patriotic and he makes us think that he's a great president and he's getting rid of the world of evil. So we vote for him, thinking of how we are united with our great president to get rid of the evildoers, and that if people disagree with president Bush they should be ostracized.

It's the perfect strategy to gain power. He's got the average American thinking he has good foreign policy.

	12-07-2003 08:06									#2
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quote: It's the perfect strategy to gain power. He's got the average American thinking he has good foreign policy.

don't give him too much credit... he's surrounded by many other people who have been architects of that policy...

	12-07-2003 08:08									#3
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Cheney is the real brains of the opperation, Bush is a moron.

	12-07-2003 08:09									#4
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quote: Cheney is the real brains of the opperation

nah... I think it's a collection a lot of people with different skills, talents, and knowledge. Cheney is high up on the totem pole, however.

	12-07-2003 08:11									#5
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you left out how he planned the bombing of WTC but tipped off all the Jews to leave the building.

	12-07-2003 08:12									#6
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quote: you left out how he planned the bombing of WTC but tipped off all the Jews to leave the building.

I'm torn on this issue. I think Al Qaeda is responsible... no doubt... but before I don my tinfoil hat, I must give Bush the benefit of the doubt on this one. I think 9-11 was more ineptitude than malicious intent. As evil as Bushies are... I doubt they'd allow the WTC to be attacked if they knew about it.

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(sorry if I just posted something like this, I posted a reply but my computer disconnected and I lost what I wrote)

Bush has a degree from Harvard, and anyone that is halfway smart enough to get accepted there could easily think up of his scheme.

	12-07-2003 08:15									#8
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quote: Bush has a degree from Harvard, and anyone that is halfway smart enough to get accepted there could easily think up of his scheme.

Bush was the recipient of "rich-connected-family" affirmative action... his scholastic achievements would have earned him a birth at some party state school.

	12-07-2003 08:22									#9
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If you're smart enough to not flunk out of high school you could think up his plan. I'll never be as smart as most people at Apolyton yet I could easily come up with such a plan.

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quote: If you're smart enough to not flunk out of high school you could think up his plan. I'll never be as smart as most people at Apolyton yet I could easily come up with such a plan.

exactly... the key is having the political connections to pull it off...

	12-07-2003 08:32									#11
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How exactly, is this news?

I thought that some of us stated this opinion of theirs right before Operation Iraqi Liberation.

	12-07-2003 08:36									#12
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quote: How exactly, is this news? I thought that some of us stated this opinion of theirs right before Operation Iraqi Liberation.

if the topic bores you, don't bother clicking on it...

	12-07-2003 09:31									#13
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quote: Originally posted by johncmcleod Bush has a degree from Harvard, and anyone that is halfway smart enough to get accepted there could easily think up of his scheme.

Either that, or he has connections, which seems to be the more probable cause.

	12-07-2003 09:51									#14
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Remember? Cheney is a member of the "Old Conservative Hand on the Policy Steering Wheel" program. Equal or larger honchos are in the military, the justice department, homeland panic department, etc. However, Bush is a lot smarter than you usually give him credit for. He managed to pull all the right connections together and now he's President!

	12-07-2003 11:10									#15
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I still think Bush is responsible for 9/11. He didn't do the act mind you, but he was behind the funding and planning of the attack.

	12-07-2003 19:58									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident I still think Bush is responsible for 9/11. He didn't do the act mind you, but he was behind the funding and planning of the attack.

You've been sniffing too much morpholine.

	12-07-2003 20:06									#17
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Bush is in no way responsible for 9/11. He is far too dumb for that. That being said, I'm not totally sure that it wasn't Americans who were ultimately behind it.

	12-07-2003 20:08									#18
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I think he started out well on the War on Terror, and did about the best job one could ask of a president after such a horrific attack. I thought the War in Afghanistan was justified.

But then the same goodwill from allies, and the world at large, was squandered because of Iraq. IMO, this was a forced war with shady motives, and I think the lack of evidence of saddam being an imminent threat bears this out .

The biggest problem is the Administration's penchant for secrecy and concealment at all costs. Everything from cheney's energy task force, 9/11 inquiry, and post-war reconstruction seems to be conducted behind an ever-increasing veil of secrecy.

	12-07-2003 20:31									#19
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quote: The biggest problem is the Administration's penchant for secrecy and concealment at all costs. Everything from cheney's energy task force, 9/11 inquiry, and post-war reconstruction seems to be conducted behind an ever-increasing veil of secrecy.

exactly...

	12-07-2003 20:40									#20
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well it seems the knives are being sharpend on both sides of the atlantic. Head of the CIA says the document that Bush used to say Iraq was trying to get nuclear weapons from africa was a forgery!!!
Shame no-one tipped of Tony Blair(british PM) about this as over here the official party line is that the document was a true source
Geez guys as this rolls on it looks like we've all been played for suckers, and you can bet that the 'fall guys' will start to fall.
Maybe to world leaders it's all nothing more than a game of civ?
Opps yeah so maybe he(or his advisors) weren't such genius's?

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	12-07-2003 21:24									#21
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Lefties, get some medical help NOW! Your obsession/fear of Bush is getting way too extreme. It really is not healthy.

	12-07-2003 21:32									#22
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I'm personally neither obsessed with, or fearful of, the Bush Administration.

I just think their obsession with secrecy makes the Nixon Administration look like the Leo Buscaglia Fan Club.

	12-07-2003 21:34									#23
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I don't think there's any realy way of knowing exaclty who orchestrated the 9/11 attacks - the evidence claimed by the US government is highly spurious to say the least. Remember, they blamed the burning of the Reichstag on the communists. However, that doesn't mean the Bush administration was behind it.

But no-ones ever likely to know anyway.

	12-07-2003 22:20									#24
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I don't know. It would be really stupid for bin Laden to say he did it if he didn't, because it got Bush after his terrorist organization instead of another one.

I don't understand about how the Bush administration would do it. 911 might help get him power, but he wouldn't do it because of the slightest chance of getting caught. There's a slight chance that he would get caught. And if he did, he would last about 10 seconds after the discovery happened before angry mobs of Americans and his own secret service killed him. It would be too risky. Plus, Bush isn't evil enough to kill thousands of Americans.

quote: Lefties, get some medical help NOW! Your obsession/fear of Bush is getting way too extreme. It really is not healthy.

Yes, you may be correct. Some of us leftist are so anti-Bush that it clouds their mind and they start thinking everything bad is because of Bush (cough 911 cough). But hey, at least it's not like the conservatives who are so 'patriotic' that everything Bush does is good and that those who don't support the war in Iraq MUST BE OSTRACIZED.

	12-07-2003 22:30									#25
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Anyone who thinks Bush planned or supported 9-11 is a total idiot. Hands-down. They're also inconsistent. Aren't you also complaining about Americans being uber-patriotic? I don't think you can have it both ways

quote: Originally posted by johncmcleod But hey, at least it's not like the conservatives who are so 'patriotic' that everything Bush does is good and that those who don't support the war in Iraq MUST BE OSTRACIZED.

Personally, I haven't seen anyone "ostracized" for not supporting Bush, though they are argued against. Part of this may be because I don't watch TV though I know I wouldn't consider someone unpatriotic for not supporting the president.

You know, I think that it's actually a good thing that, once the president has decided to go to war, people support him. Once war has been declared, isn't it better to try and make sure that things go as well as possible, rather than hinder them? You almost certainly can't stop it, but hindering could cause more damage than otherwise.

	12-07-2003 22:31									#26
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quote: Originally posted by johncmcleod I don't know. It would be really stupid for bin Laden to say he did it if he didn't, because it got Bush after his terrorist organization instead of another one. I don't understand about how the Bush administration would do it. 911 might help get him power, but he wouldn't do it because of the slightest chance of getting caught. There's a slight chance that he would get caught. And if he did, he would last about 10 seconds after the discovery happened before angry mobs of Americans and his own secret service killed him. It would be too risky. Plus, Bush isn't evil enough to kill thousands of Americans.

Without sounding too much like a consipracy theorist (because I don't 100% believe any option, as we can't know) but it would be the administration, not Bush. And Bin Laden still could have done it if he was still on the CIAs payroll - the reason soldiers would never find him being because he's in US protective custody.

Just an idea

	12-07-2003 22:32									#27
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quote: Originally posted by red_jon Without sounding too much like a consipracy theorist

Too late.

	12-07-2003 23:41									#28
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quote: Lefties, get some medical help NOW! Your obsession/fear of Bush is getting way too extreme. It really is not healthy.

Sorry, I tend to defend Democracy and freedom when someone tries to take it away and abuse power.

	12-07-2003 23:46									#29
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Sava, I think you should denote your posts with a "Serious" or "Troll" tag. It would really help people who don't agree with you to wade through the crap and get to the real debate.

	12-07-2003 23:56									#30
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quote: Sava, I think you should denote your posts with a "Serious" or "Troll" tag. It would really help people who don't agree with you to wade through the crap and get to the real debate.

I'm too lazy

plus it would end up being a jumbled mass like Berz's posts.