13-07-2003 00:33									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Let's wait 10 years and then ask them what they think .

Let's wait. I won't be surprised if a power grab based on the wish to return to "Old Glory" will happen. Heck, that's what Putin bases his policy towards the public on. 13% for the public votes for the "communist" (they're NOT communists. they're a bunch of deranged weirdos.) candidate. some 55% vote for Putin, a "Strong leader", just like in the old times.

During the 96' election a "disaster" was averted, when ENTIRE media has risen to get Boris Yeltsin into the seat, because the "communists" have almost won.

quote: I can't imagine anyone thinking the fall of the Soviet Union was a BAD thing!

Which proves once again that the Americans are living in a fantasy world. No wonder the rest of the world hates you.

Yes, I know, look who's talking.

	13-07-2003 00:34									#62
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc How was he a bad president? Hint: Just because you don't like them doesn't make them a bad President.

Let's just say he scared the **** out of us back then...

	13-07-2003 00:37									#63
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quote: I won't be surprised if a power grab based on the wish to return to "Old Glory" will happen. Heck, that's what Putin bases his policy towards the public on. 13% for the public votes for the "communist" (they're NOT communists. they're a bunch of deranged weirdos.) candidate. some 55% vote for Putin, a "Strong leader", just like in the old times.

You know, and I know that the 'communists' are not bringing back the old style Soviet Communism... and so do most Russians. Voting for a 'strong leader' does not mean you want to go back to totalitarianism . One of the big things we want in our Presidents is being a strong leader.

Soviet style communism will NEVER return to Russia. The younger generation despises it, and the older generation is dying off steadily.

	13-07-2003 00:39									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Sava red_jon just killed the thread I was thinking of a Hitler reference in my first post, but decided against it...

Godwin's Law proves itself correct once again.

	13-07-2003 00:40									#65
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You're not very knowledgeable with facts about the Russian youth, are you? Sure they like western pop culture, but you can ask even the Russian people here. Ask their opinion about the SU.

	13-07-2003 00:40									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Let's wait 10 years and then ask them what they think .

If Russia ever shines we should all jump for joy. The Stalinist era was the closest they have ever come to a golden age, and if you think they will have one in the next ten years you're in a fantasy world. Oh yeah, I already knew you were.

	13-07-2003 00:41									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Hueij Let's just say he scared the **** out of us back then...

You actually thought he was going to start WW3 or something, didn't you?

	13-07-2003 00:42									#68
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quote: Originally posted by The diplomat You actually thought he was going to start WW3 or something, didn't you?

Ah, yeah. He was insane.

	13-07-2003 00:43									#69
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quote: You're not very knowledgeable with facts about the Russian youth, are you? Sure they like western pop culture, but you can ask even the Russian people here. Ask their opinion about the SU.

I've read more than enough articles on the Russian youth. They don't just like Western pop culture, but also the new freedom they have. They don't want to go back to the dark ages.

Russian Israelis aren't really Russian are they? I mean, they aren't in the country anymore, so what it matter what they think?

quote: The Stalinist era was the closest they have ever come to a golden age

Bullshit. Their golden age was the NEP period. Unfortunetly Stalin killed it.

quote: if you think they will have one in the next ten years

Within the next ten years the IMMENSE oil located in Siberia will be taken out of the ground pumping money into the Russian economy. Oil can do wonders for a country. Look at Saudi Arabia.

	13-07-2003 00:45									#70
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quote: You actually thought he was going to start WW3 or something, didn't you?

Did his job well. Nixon also tried the 'madman' strategy a few times to scare the Soviets.

	13-07-2003 00:45									#71
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Oil can do wonders for a country. Look at Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabia

	13-07-2003 00:47									#72
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quote: Saudi Arabia

Do you think they'd be anywhere near what they are now without oil? Do you think they'd have any money or anyone would give a rats ass about the country without it?

	13-07-2003 00:48									#73
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quote: Originally posted by The diplomat You actually thought he was going to start WW3 or something, didn't you?

As a matter of fact, yes. We heard all these fundies talking about how Armageddon was just up the road and since Reagan was very close to these guys and had the means to fulfill the profecy...

Sounds paranoid now butback then we were really scared...

	13-07-2003 00:48									#74
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quote: Bullshit. Their golden age was the NEP period. Unfortunetly Stalin killed it.

You admit that the Golden Age of the people of Russia came under soviet rule.

Time to backpedal, Imran.

	13-07-2003 00:48									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Saudi Arabia Do you think they'd be anywhere near what they are now without oil? Do you think they'd have any money or anyone would give a rats ass about the country without it?

I think the oil has done very little for the people of Saudi Arabia.

	13-07-2003 00:49									#76
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quote: Dubya's shaping up to take the "worst president in the 20th century award" away from Ronny...

does anyone else find this funny for all the wrong reasons? :/

	13-07-2003 00:50									#77
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I agree, Cockney. Only a moron would think that W is a president in the 20th century.

	13-07-2003 00:52									#78
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quote: You admit that the Golden Age of the people of Russia came under soviet rule.

One of them, yeah! Although the rule of Peter the Great may have been greater. Of course the NEP was a Golden Age for Russia! Just the monarchical rule of Gustavus Adolpus was a Golden Age for Sweden... but you don't see anyone clamoring to go back to a totalitarian monarchy there .

quote: I think the oil has done very little for the people of Saudi Arabia.

Imagine the country without oil altogether.... I think oil has done a lot for the people of that country. It funds their entire welfare system.

	13-07-2003 00:53									#79
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel I agree, Cockney. Only a moron would think that W is a president in the 20th century.

'lo sava'

	13-07-2003 00:55									#80
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: You actually thought he was going to start WW3 or something, didn't you? Did his job well. Nixon also tried the 'madman' strategy a few times to scare the Soviets.

Nixon played the madman, which to me wasn't a good idea, but Reagan was just plain out of his mind. That's even scarier.

	13-07-2003 00:56									#81
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quote: I bet we were brainwashed into hating that good Hitler chap too, eh?

Grandpappy Bush did...

quote: I agree, Cockney. Only a moron would think that W is a president in the 20th century.

yeah I f*cked up on that one... I meant "since the beginning of the 20th Century"... sometimes I get so into my trolling, I don't catch mistakes like that.

	13-07-2003 00:57									#82
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quote: I think the oil has done very little for the people of Saudi Arabia.

You see Kidicious, Imran believes success and quality of life should be judged how a few oppressive, elite live...

	13-07-2003 00:58									#83
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quote: yeah I f*cked up on that one... I meant "since the beginning of the 20th Century"... sometimes I get so into my trolling, I don't catch mistakes like that.

Don't worry. You got your priorities right.

	13-07-2003 01:06									#84
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quote: Don't worry. You got your priorities right.

I'd make a good politician... troll and spout rhetoric first... then worry about explaining things later.

	13-07-2003 01:12									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: You admit that the Golden Age of the people of Russia came under soviet rule. One of them, yeah! Although the rule of Peter the Great may have been greater. Of course the NEP was a Golden Age for Russia! Just the monarchical rule of Gustavus Adolpus was a Golden Age for Sweden... but you don't see anyone clamoring to go back to a totalitarian monarchy there .

I should've lured you deep enough, so that it would be harder for your to elegantly backtrack like this. dang.

	13-07-2003 01:16									#86
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quote: Originally posted by Sava I'd make a good politician... troll and spout rhetoric first... then worry about explaining things later.

Just like W.

	13-07-2003 01:23									#87
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quote: I should've lured you deep enough, so that it would be harder for your to elegantly backtrack like this. dang.

Many skills are learned in law school... such as how to counter-troll .

	13-07-2003 01:29									#88
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Personally I think there are no differences between Lawyers and trolls.

but that's probably of all the time I spend in apolyton around people like you.

	13-07-2003 02:33									#89
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quote: Originally posted by Hueij As a matter of fact, yes. We heard all these fundies talking about how Armageddon was just up the road and since Reagan was very close to these guys and had the means to fulfill the profecy... Sounds paranoid now butback then we were really scared...

Ever notice how every Republican president is "close to the fundies" according to these guys?

	13-07-2003 02:39									#90
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk Ever notice how every Republican president is "close to the fundies" according to these guys?

Reagan was. I don't know how much of it was pure rethorics but we were really scared. 500,000 people demonstrating against nuclear cruise missiles in the centre of The Hague in 1982 felt the same...