22-07-2003 02:18									#61
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GoW is ancious to chat with me. I will be going to their chat room in a few moments. I will not have time, so I will not be able to tell them much. They will be prying, and they can be good at it. I strongly suggest we limit our contacts with them.

Earlier today they did ask me a simple question. 'What is the status of the NAP?' I told them it is in good shape.

	22-07-2003 02:20									#62
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Did they ask that before or after we sent the save to ND?

I'm afraid I can't be at the chat (how come they always start just when I want to go to sleep?! )

	22-07-2003 02:23									#63
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good luck NYE

I wish I could join you, but I really have to get some studying done. My bar exam is in a little over a week, and I have been slacking off a bit.

	22-07-2003 02:27									#64
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quote: Earlier today they did ask me a simple question. 'What is the status of the NAP?' I told them it is in good shape.

You rock, NYE!

-Arrian

	22-07-2003 02:27									#65
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After the save went to ND. They obviously have been informed of the cities having switched.

	22-07-2003 02:39									#66
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nye, do you need help, or do you want to be alone? I can join... but in that case it won't be a limited contact anymore

DeepO

	22-07-2003 02:46									#67
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	22-07-2003 03:33									#68
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Chatted, see the GoW thread.

I think we should avoid discussions as much as possible, with all teams. We never know what may slip. I can continue to contact GoW on an as needed basis to keep them from getting too suspicious. Ambassadors should keep their notes short and sweet on these topics. Basically, 'yeah, we have cities on Bob, aren't they cool?'

If Vox or Lego make further enquiries, the response might be 'I'm not sure, I'd have to check through a lot of material on the forum to get you an answer'.

If GoW or ND come calling, stall.

OPD should get into high gear with RP. Not many secrets there. We want to cement our close relations.

DeepO's chat with Lego was good. A little slipped, but it is unlikely that it would be passed on to GoW. It did a great deal to set Lego at ease that nothing significant has changed in the power calculations, and that they can feel free to be happy little builders. Not telling them anything beyond the obvious, that yes indeed we have cities on Bob would have set them to wondering. They know enough now.

Shiber's note to ND was near perfect. I am very glad you guy's reworded what I typed. I did not intend to tell them 'too bad, so sad' in just those 4 words.

We should start an intel control thread. We can list civs and what we have told them. That way we can all refer to it to know what is OK to talk about to which civs if any of us get cornered in chat.

Unfortunately, or maybe not, I have to chat with these guys a great deal due to the ISDG. I can be cornered very easily. I referred to Shiber's note to ND while chatting with MZ so that I made sure that nothing additional was released.

	22-07-2003 04:02									#69
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nye, what do you feel slipped in my chat? I'm not aware of it, so please let me improve...

As to Lego contact: if indeed ND and GoW will be bypassing us, there is little else we can tell them other then
"It looks like it is working. We're avoiding major fights, peaceful hampering both ND and GoW to take RP too fast. We're quite pleased with the result, however we have a long way before us to keep RP from getting destroyed. Part of this might be that ND and GoW still don't fully trust each other, even in their alliance"

DeepO

	22-07-2003 04:37									#70
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I was going to create an intel thread, but perhaps it would be better to have a seperate thread for each civ, so that nothing will be overlooked when dealing with them. Each could be topped, or one thread topped and linked to the other threads.

Thoughts?

	22-07-2003 05:18									#71
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DeepO, all in all a good chat. You let them know that we are on Bob to stay, and that we may get more than we have now. Good. It tells them why we are doing what we are doing without disclosing the details. They can feel secure since all we are getting are corrupt cities.

There were some bits though, that if they get to GoW and ND, could be bad for RP...

quote: [14:07] {DeepO} and after seeing their military situation (at least to as far as they want to disclose it) [14:08] {DeepO} we decided to intervene... [14:08] {DeepO} if they attack us, we go to Bob [14:15] {DeepO} main goal is to stablize Bob, and how the RP situation looked, it was a lost cause [14:16] {DeepO} buut we needed to do something, or we would be facing a 2-civ Bob in less then 10 turns [14:16] {DeepO} well... it seems RP was defending our coast as well [14:16] {DeepO} and so have verry few defenders in place [14:18] {DeepO} plus, they have a large number of troops [14:18] {DeepO} but those are spread out [14:18] {DeepO} and can't defend adequately against 3-move UUs

These statements, if taken together, would encourage ND to blitz with the Ansars. They are in a position to do an incredible amount of damage with those Ansars that are seen.

Just to note that since RP is so close to us, their military situation, and all other aspects of their progress, should be guarded as if it were information about ourselves.

	22-07-2003 05:26									#72
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Hmmm... you're right, didn't see that. The thing I was going to (but I forgot the punch line, it seems) was that because of us getting a couple of cities, and by the Inchon II maneuver (which I still think we should let Lego know), RP concentrates their forces. Without the risk of us taking advantage, they can build a moderately good defense...

Lego and ND don't seem to be at the best terms, and Lego has reasons to keep strategical information from them, but I'll do my best to keep these things from them. Keep providing comments, though, I know I have the tendency to talk too much

DeepO

	25-07-2003 09:44									#73
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I should make myself available to GoW this evening.

There is UnO's last note, and the request to transit Bilbao. The later must be rejected. UnO's message though... We should investigate. Yes?

Someone will have to contact Lego soon. Does anyone feel up to it? I can do it tomorrow if necessary.

	25-07-2003 14:45									#74
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contact with Lego: I can send a PM during the next few hours, but nothing later then that... and I will not be available for chat. Sorry, still some partying left do to

DeepO

	25-07-2003 23:32									#75
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Good, DeepO. I didn't expect to see you for a bit.

Does anyone know where zeit is? Doh, thanks sleepy.

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	25-07-2003 23:33									#76
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Does anyone know where zeit is?

Italy on vacation?

	25-07-2003 23:42									#77
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CRAP!!
Ghengis is the new GoW ambassador to GS. CRAP!! Bleah. Fooy.
Good appointment on GoW's part though. He's the best for the job in our current state of affairs.
My own suggestion is: avoid chatting with him at all costs! When he shows up and asks for a chat, go see if you have an appointment with the dentist or something, make up an excuse when you can.

	25-07-2003 23:44									#78
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Anything in particular about him that is dangerous, Shiber?

	25-07-2003 23:54									#79
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Them two don't really get along

GF has the tendency to read whatever he wants too, no-matter what you say, easely stepped on his toes too.

	25-07-2003 23:57									#80
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Word-twisting in public, too. He seems to have been a little better, lately though.

	26-07-2003 00:16									#81
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I've no personal problems with GF. We get along outside the PTWDG, but he's great in acting out "scenes".
True, recently he's been humbled by his team that has overthrown him (for a while before he was finally kicked out of the C.o.W office, they've been doing diplomacy behind his back), but if he's been appointed as ambassador... I can only assume that they've come to realize his strong points.
We have little to gain out of speaking to GF. Once again I suggest limiting discussion with GF to PMs, and not taking seriously any of his extreme comments. Also, we need to form a back-channel with GoW, speaking to other members when he's not around to ruin any progress we make.

	26-07-2003 01:22									#82
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In the public forum, who thinks GoW is:
1. Venting
2. Acting

	26-07-2003 01:24									#83
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It is hard to take them seriously.

	26-07-2003 01:38									#84
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They seek to shame RP and spur them to do something stupid. Since they do not know all, this was a good thing to say publically.

Too bad I already let Arnelos know about them approaching us to help against RP. Too bad that they do not know what we know.

They could be fishing as well. Hoping that they will provoke someone on RP into letting details slip.

	26-07-2003 01:41									#85
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Shiber, not hard for me to limit contact with GF. He was the perfect choice from our POV since I am almost never in a chat room that he frequents. He is on another team in the ISDG.

I will be summoned from time to time though. When I am, I will keep in mind that I am dealing with someone prone to theatrics. I can have a think skin when it comes to that.

re back channel. We have one. MasterZen has always been available for me to chat with, and he sometimes looks me up.

	26-07-2003 02:39									#86
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Good. So we're all set.
I neglected the fact that he's on another team in the ISDG, as you mentioned; that can help us too.

In the meantime, the public forum stuff is killing me. They have mentioned the possibility that RP has given up Toledo in order to teleport units to Pamplona. Or maybe it just seemed to me like they did because I know that they did. In either case, they still don't know about those 7 catapults. MWHAHAHAHAHA!!! (or is it - MOO! HAHAHAHAHA!!)

	31-07-2003 12:11									#87
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Situation.

RP: We need closer contact with them. Many ideas come up and plans must be coordinated. OPD, are you still up for it? Arnelos, Togas, and BigFree (away soon) would be your contacts. I can cover when I am around also.

Should we have a military envoy to RP in addition to OPD? They were looking for help tonight. None of their strat guys showed up on Poly today. Also, many ideas that we discussed here were proposed in a piecemeal fashion. It would be better if one of us could look after coordinating the militaries. Who would be up to it?

Lego: DeepO, what is our status there?

That's just about it. I guess we should keep up contact with Vox. Who wants it?

	31-07-2003 14:27									#88
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Lego: see the Lego comments and log threads. It's not looking so rosy... I'm doing the best I can to keep them happy, however they obviously are more wary of us then before we took part of the war on Bob.

DeepO

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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Situation. RP: We need closer contact with them. Many ideas come up and plans must be coordinated. OPD, are you still up for it? Arnelos, Togas, and BigFree (away soon) would be your contacts. I can cover when I am around also.

yeah cool. Can you give me a rough outline of what to communicate? I don't really know precisely whats going on. I mentioned forum exchange a while ago in passing and Togas seemed interested. Quite a few people from RP wanted to visit the forum iirc.

	01-08-2003 01:31									#90
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Just keeping the contact level up with our allies so that the relationship is cemented. Also so that ideas are passed quickly and do not languish.

We need to work closely with them if we are going to get the most benefit from the alliance.

Would you like the assistance of a military envoy? They like to do their turns in the middle of the night for you.