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MichaeltheGreat
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Apolyton Grand Executioner
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mooning the house that Ruth built.
Oct 1999
time: 21:29
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Originally posted by Hueij
With US support
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Sorry Hueij, you're normally a bit brighter and more interested in accuracy. 
Not correct - Saddam was utterly unprepared to go for the Iranians, and what happened initially was a small attack to slap the Iranians and show how tough Saddam was, after the Ayatollah Khomeini's government had breached bilateral agreements on use of the Shatt al Arab and had agents attempt assassination of Iraqi officials in the Shiite-dominated areas of southern Iraq.
Saddam himself didn't intend a general war to result, he thought he was so impressive he'd intimidate the Ayatollah to the bargaining table. Instead, the Iranians started seriously kicking his ass, and the US and the rest of the arab world had to bail Saddam's ass out of the lurch to prevent the Iranians from overruning southern Iraq and suddenly becoming the dominant power in the entire gulf region.
Nobody initially advocated Saddam attacking the Iranians, because it was well known he didn't have a chance in hell.
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With no objections from the US
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Wrong again. April Glaspie bashers have made a lot of the US "no interest" statement, while ignoring that the statement was made in the context of an upcoming Arab League meeting in which the Iraqi-Kuwaiti disputes were to be discussed. The context of invasion was never discussed, and the consensus of US military intel and CIA types was that the Iraqi movements to the border with Kuwait were typically Saddam-esque saber rattling.
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Used chemical warfare on Iran. |
With chemical weapons provided by the US
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Used chemical warfare on civilian population. |
See above
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Incorrect on both counts. The US can not transfer such weapons without express approval by Congress, due to the sensitive nature of the technology - Reagan or Bush would have been skinned alive, and a lot of right-wing national security hawks would have been there to do the skinning. What the US did was equivalent to after the fact complicity, in that we diverted bogus Dept. of Commerce and Dept. of Agriculture loan guarantees to unspecified military programs of the Iraqis, to be used at their discretion. We also provided after the fact bomb damage assessments, and real time Intelsat raw take, so the Iraqis were able to do strike planning with a much higher degree of accuracy. There is no evidence that US personnel ever participated in planning chemical strikes, but they did look the other way, and continue providing intel, without concerning themselves with the warfighting methods used to exploit that intel.
The Iranians did it too, and in neither case, did the US particularly care. However, we didn't supply the material, direct it's use, and we weren't asked for permission. We just didn't get worked up over it. Not many people really did at the time, though.
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Tried to build nuclear weapons. |
Give you this one, but how about invading your friends in Pakistan who actually build those weapons?
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And they did that in response to your buddies and ours in Delhi building their own nuke. Tell you what, why doesn't the EU commit it's military forces with us, and we'll jointly declare an "Indo-Pakistani Nuclear Weapon Free Greater Co-Prosperity Sphere" and invade the bastards and do something about it?
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Tried to build large stockpile of chemical wepons.
Tried to build large stockpile of biological wepons. |
Any proof of that or are these another example of Weapons Of Mass Deception? |
Hell, that's in the original UN inspector's reports. The only thing unknown is if/how much he tried to add during the time that the inspectors were kicked out, and how much of the unaccounted for material was actually destroyed. That Saddam was involved in these programs after the end of the Gulf War is beyond dispute - the real questions are if/when he stopped, and the status of those programs and the materials previously produced and not accounted for to the UN inspectors.
Even in the last go-round, Blix's report to the UN pointed out that the Hussein regime was less than forthcoming, and that there were still significant questions as to WMD activity and planning, even though evidence of live WMD's hadn't been uncovered by UNMOVIC.
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13-07-2003 05:44
. Was it all run by Neoconservatives or was it all about interests? You can't have both (because they are fundamentally opposite positions).
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