14-07-2003 01:18									#121
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Since MtG is a moderator, I think using 'ignore' is not encouraged

	14-07-2003 01:44									#122
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quote: Originally posted by MOBIUS Personally I predict it is going to get worse as the attacks have become far more sophisticated and organised lately, so I'm thinking that 1,000+ dead US soldiers might even be a conservative estimate.

UH OH - IT LOOKS LIKE "PERSONAL PREDICTION" HOUR AGAIN

I'll play: The WHO and voices in my head say 500, 000 llamas dead, plus a trillion Iraqi babies!!! And 1, 000, 000 American soldiers will have their penises lopped off in sophisticated couscous/pilaf attacks@%#^$T

...but only FOUR Ameican soldiers will be killed from this point until the end of the occupation. These are my predictions, and I give them to you because EVERYONE CARES WHAT A F*CKING NOBODY PREDICTS ABOUT WORLD AFFAIRS!!!

	14-07-2003 01:48									#123
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At least enough to post.

	14-07-2003 01:50									#124
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NOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooo....

	14-07-2003 01:52									#125
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quote: Originally posted by HershOstropoler I don't think that is a problem with an inbuilt ignore function.

The downside to the "job" is that many of those I'd most like to ignore are the same that I most have to read.

quote: Do you expect a withdrawal from police work to some sort of strategic control a la Afghanistan?

Partly - certainly as much as we hand off functions to the Iraqis, the pro-Baathist types won't have near as much silent sympathy as they enjoy now.

I expect we'll still keep an active hunting/enforcing role, but in greater forces, and reacting forcefully to problem areas, rather than in the generally diluted and strung out manner in which we operate now.

	14-07-2003 01:53									#126
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Wow... Zylka, I'm converted

	14-07-2003 02:00									#128
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Yeah, Zylka's losing his edge. His prediction makes as much sense as anyone else's.

	14-07-2003 02:09									#129
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Zylka:

	14-07-2003 02:14									#130
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Yeah, Zylka's losing his edge. His prediction makes as much sense as anyone else's.

That's not the worst of it...

I just found out the USMC has sent an estimated 3, 500, 000 condoms and 140, 500 prostitutes to the GW2 effort. Condoms aside [they're as good as dead ] - that's nearly 150k less escorts at the the touch of a phone call here at home (yes I fly them up in my helicopter)

	14-07-2003 02:16									#131
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Still makes sense. Work harder.

	14-07-2003 03:39									#132
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I have faith in my government, I'm willing to give them time to find the weapons, just like I was willing to give the inspectors time to find the weapons. But if by election day no weapons turn up, and US troops are still in Iraq - Bush has lost my vote.

	14-07-2003 04:44									#133
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Actually, It has an easy solution.
Maybe the lost Iraq´s MDW are been fabricated now... somewhere in USA.

Any evidence that the United States army may show to the world must be considered VERY suspect until legal United Nations inspectors proven otherwise.

	14-07-2003 06:33									#134
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Well by way of comparison this area and population is about half the size of most struggles. Columbia and Nam were both larger if indeed it is confined to Iraqi Sunnis whose total populatioin is 3.9 million people half of them being male makes 1.9 million the 18-25 age group is about half that or a million men in the profiled set.This set contains most of the professional soldiers and is thought to controle weapons caches.If and when we decide to do some seriouse house cleaning this entire population may be displaced over 5 years if consitent with other police work during activity. The combat related losses of enforcing troops on average can easily approach 3000/annum in a body of 500,000 including paramiltaries.Civillian casualties are usually
ten times that or about 30,000. I think the Iraqiis better ask themselves some damned hard questions before the **** hits the fan.Oh BTW Average duration of these occupations is about 8 years.

	14-07-2003 06:35									#135
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Actually, if we were going to go to the trouble of faking evidence, it would have been much easier to do it early on, before the issue was even vaguely embarassing.

We could drag the ignorant press around, show them our version of a "Baby Milk Plant" , and then, in the name of security and safety for the whole world, blow up the "WMD" before anyone could verify they were fakes. We didn't do that, so my guess is nobody will bother now. Spin is going in the direction "well, even if we don't find any, we had reasons to get rid of the guy anyway."

	14-07-2003 07:40									#136
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quote: Originally posted by The diplomat A) We are not loosing our freedom.

I see you've either not been paying attention, or ignoring the facts, but that's another debate entirely.

quote: B) You can't compare Bush to Saddam. Bush is a democratic president, Saddam was a hitlerian tyrant.[quote] Bush stole an election and has much more power over me than Saddam. [quote]C) There is a big difference between losing your life while fighting a threat to your freedom (like in the US war of independance) and wishing for a far flung enemy to kill your own people.

The Saddam fedayeen are not my enemy. Are they bad? Obviously. The US administration is my enemy.

quote: The only loss of freedom was the unsconstitutional Campaign Finance Reform

You just keep telling yourself that.

quote: which Bush foolishly signed into law.

Why? It hurts the democrats more than the republicans. Though I still support it based on principle.

	14-07-2003 17:02									#137
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quote: Originally posted by Zylka UH OH - IT LOOKS LIKE "PERSONAL PREDICTION" HOUR AGAIN I'll play: The WHO and voices in my head say 500, 000 llamas dead, plus a trillion Iraqi babies!!! And 1, 000, 000 American soldiers will have their penises lopped off in sophisticated couscous/pilaf attacks@%#^$T ...but only FOUR Ameican soldiers will be killed from this point until the end of the occupation. These are my predictions, and I give them to you because EVERYONE CARES WHAT A F*CKING NOBODY PREDICTS ABOUT WORLD AFFAIRS!!!

Still the same old twattish BS as ever, Zylk???

If you're gonna quote me, quote my later quote that expands upon the one you took - instead of firing off a 'red herring'...

* MOBIUS Personally I think attacks against US forces will get worse at least in the short term. I called it a 'nightmare scenario' if things maintain their status quo - but really the nightmare is if things get worse...

The figures such as US occupation to last for the next 2-4 years, current costs of $3.9bn a month, a soldier dying on average every day, and attacks getting worse and more organised is in the public domain - if the status quo is maintained, those are the approximate costs of a 3 year occupation. It could get better - or it could get worse...

F***'s sake, the debating skills really have gone down the toilet on this forum of late - especially striking when you go away for a few months!

So get with the programme and stop acting like a bunch of pathetic childish ****ers, however difficult that might be for certain individuals on this forum...

	14-07-2003 19:17									#138
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quote: Originally posted by Victor Galis You just keep telling yourself that. Why? It hurts the democrats more than the republicans. Though I still support it based on principle.

The CFR limited political speech. For example, it bans certain political ads 30 days before an election. That's an attack on free speech.

I don't care who it helps or hurts. It is an unconstitutional assault on free speech so I will oppose it based on principle.

The Left really has its values screwed in backwards. Arresting a suspected terrorist is an attack on our freedoms, but a ban on political ads during an election is not.

	14-07-2003 23:59									#139
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quote: I hope you are not an American. If you are, then you are a traitor for that kind of comment.

i hope this is not an example of compassionate christian conservatism.
ann coulter has a riveting, coherent, and amazingly well-researched text on this very matter.

quote: Second, Odin specifically wished americans dead. That is what is treason if he is a US citizen. There is a huge difference between criticizing or not supporting your government and wishing your own soldiers to be killed. The first is ok, the second is not!

so if a soldier had killed his uncle in a just war, it would be wrong of him to want that soldier's head?

quote: Can you lefties make up your minds . Was it all run by Neoconservatives or was it all about interests? You can't have both (because they are fundamentally opposite positions).

i'm not a lefty, but i think it was all about power. had nothing to do with liberation, or how evil saddam was, or oil. it was about setting up a safe haven so that we americans can project power into that region of the world.

quote: Then no. Not at all. Communism as an ideology does not call for communist nations to attack capitalist nations.

what of the so-called world revolution? if i recall correctly, that led to the korean and vietnam wars directly...

quote: No, it doesn't, but it's still treasonous.

idle talk --> treason? howso?
ah, the "adhering to the enemy"?

quote: This just shows the utter extreme level of hate the Left has towards Bush. To actually wish for Americans to die by the thousands in order to win an election, is utterly perverse and despicable. We may have despised Clinton but we never ever wished for mass murder in order to defeat him.

quote: Clinton was actually elected to office in a fair election.

i love this generalization, and its humorous riposte.
how much more spittle will be expelled from both sides? i'm going to need a poncho and those river boots.

quote: B) You can't compare Bush to Saddam. Bush is a democratic president, Saddam was a hitlerian tyrant.

actually, saddam isn't very hitlerian.

quote: If we are losing our freedom, how come all the peace protests before the war were allowed to happen? How come all the celebrities like Martin Sheen and Susan Surandon were allowed to express their anti-bush views?

only to be promptly tarred and feathered by the conservatives who took to calling them traitors and what not.

quote: The only loss of freedom was the unsconstitutional Campaign Finance Reform

how is that a loss of freedom? oh, yes special interests don't get to buy--er, donate to candidates they like.

quote: The Left really has its values screwed in backwards.

another classic generalization.

	15-07-2003 00:27									#140
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IT'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER VIETNAM!



A thousand dead, huh? Look at even the minor battles of some of the wars the US has participated in (to say nothing of total casualty figures)....a thousand dead to topple the government of an a$$ of a man who has supported folks who have openly stated that they will do everything in their power to make the western world burn.

While no death is good, that certainly seems a bargain, given the horrible casualties of other wars.

-=Vel=-

	15-07-2003 00:33									#141
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it's not going to be another vietnam. it's also not going to be what the bush admin said it was going to be, a cakewalk.

when it's all said and done, it'll have been a very expensive nation-building endeavour which was paid for by blood, oil, and sweat. will the results be worth it? since we haven't even begun in earnest, it's still too early to speculate.

	15-07-2003 00:37									#142
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I agree....the cakewalk part is over (that is, dismantling Saddam's armed forces). The rest will be hard stuff. Not impossible stuff....but hard.

-=Vel=-

	15-07-2003 01:00									#143
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A very successful troll it seems, overall.

On the most current Iraq news, a convoy was attacked, 7 casualties, one fatal. And India nixed the idea that they would send a full division (17,000 men) to peacekeep around Mosul, which the Bsuh admin. had been pressing India to do. They said they will not do it due to the hig unpopularity of the war at home, and cause there is no clear UN mandate.

	15-07-2003 02:24									#144
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quote: Originally posted by Velociryx IT'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER VIETNAM!

Lebanon. You mean Lebanon.

	15-07-2003 04:02									#145
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed it's not going to be another vietnam. it's also not going to be what the bush admin said it was going to be, a cakewalk. when it's all said and done, it'll have been a very expensive nation-building endeavour which was paid for by blood, oil, and sweat. will the results be worth it? since we haven't even begun in earnest, it's still too early to speculate.

If Iraq becomes ME Japan I will be like

somehow I highly doubt it, but so far it is better than it could have been, so we will see... one thing that interests me is whether Iraq will get on #1 spot of terror recruits after this war?

I hope not, but it could happen...

	15-07-2003 16:26									#146
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quote: Originally posted by GePap A very successful troll it seems, overall.

A very successful troll?

No. But if this thread asks difficult questions that the supporters of this occupation have no answer for and causes them instead to snipe at the author and run scuttling for cover like cockroaches into the dark recesses of this forum - then yes, it has been a very successful thread...

As for this talk about Vietnam, militarily this is frankly preposterous as the attacks will never amount to more than pinpricks - however if the US isn't careful it could see a 'political Vietnam' as the Iraqi people democratically elects a fundamentalist Shi'ite government that lurches into Iran's sphere of control...

	15-07-2003 17:39									#147
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I would like to ask another question:

WHERE do I get my PORN?